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Buddha can't help

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Buddha can't help

Postby steve19800 » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:20 pm

Hello all,

Buddha has attained parinibbana, it is said that he has gone beyond, just like a bird in the sky untraceable. The enlightened mind as mentioned by Ajahn Chah is unmoving thus cannot be recognized, there are also some Suttas about Mara who are unable to recognized or to locate the Buddha enlightened disciple's mind. Not to sure which Sutta is that, does anyone know?

Anyway, back to the topic. However, we, as a human being sometimes have a difficult/very/extremely difficult period. During this period or in any circumstances, as Buddha stated very clearly I cannot help you, you need to make your own self an island of refuge. But when you are going through a very difficult period and are in pain. You will think I need help. And then you know there are higher beings within the realm of samsara might still be able to hear your prayer so to speak? For example certain Gods or Deities or Bodhisattas? Hindu has many such as Krishna, Lakshmi, etc. I never practice that but they are powerful. They have their own mantra and purpose. Of course our kamma also important, however, there are too many cases to prove. If you are very sincere, you will get help from them.

Buddha himself was a Hindu. He perfected his parami through incalculable cycle of birth and death, became Buddha and then there is Buddhism. From my point of view, Buddha has attained the highest evolution a human being could possibly attained. While we are as lay people is not an exception. I just want to know what is your thought on this, Gods or Brahmas can hear you, they are sharing the same realm with us. Do you normally do this or you just doing nothing at all when you need help? Thanks.

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Postby Prasadachitta » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:38 pm

When I need help I speak to a friend, one I trust who is kind and perhaps a bit wiser than I am. If I need advise about practice I read scriptures stories and commentaries from Buddhist tradition. If I need specific practice advise I find someone who's practice is more mature than my own and enter into open ended communication with that person.

A good deal of this is made possible by the Buddha. He has accomplished much and the scope of that accomplishment is still expanding.

We can be a part of that.

Take care

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Re: Buddha can't help

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:41 pm

Of course the Buddha can help us a great deal, as long as we understand his teaching in the right way.

If you wanted to understand Physics, can Einstein or Newton help you? They are both dead, aren't they? It would be no use at all praying to Einstein or Newton to help you understand the laws of physics — you would need to read their writings, and repeat their experiments.

I don't think we need to pray to any deities or bodhisattas. We just need to be inspired by the example set by wise and good beings, and try to emulate them.

Reflecting on the Buddha's noble qualities is the meditation technique called Buddhānussati. It will bring joy and optimism to overcome depression and despair. The concentration gained from that practice can serve as a basis for insight.
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Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Postby Nyorai » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:10 am

Buddha can't help is referring to enlightenment supreme per se. Buddha can only guide along this path, and if you would to explore the Infinite life sutra in the paradise world of inherent Amitabha, the surround help is remarkably indescribable. The attainment is still depend on individual. And prior to this attainment, the realization of bodhicitta is essential for the actualization of enlightenment supremely. In Zen practice, they use this "Who is it this origin appearance before it was even born" to achieve the Realization state of Bodhicitta, one of other usual method used is Anapana sati, the meditation on in-and-out breathing, is the first subject of meditation expounded by the Buddha in the Maha-satipatthana Sutta :tongue:
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Re: Buddha can't help

Postby pilgrim » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:30 am

Whatever fears and anxieties you have, all these are experienced in the mind. Prayer and reciting mantras are all strategies to relieve the mind of suffering. They let you believe that things will be OK so you feel less worried. instead of using these props, why not go straight to the mind to strengthen it? Practise Anapanasati to calm and strengthen it.
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Re: Buddha can't help

Postby SarathW » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:28 am

HI Steve
I used to pray to Deities for help and got lots of material things. I am not sure whether my prayers or my hard work contributed for this success.
However all those material things brought me great unhappiness.
So I do not pray to Deities anymore and ask for things. I take life as it comes and I pass my merits to them instead.

We can’t realise Nirvana By prying to Deities or Buddha. Buddha is only the teacher so we have to follow his teaching and attain Nirvana.

I have nothing against people who pray to God or Deities. It gives them some comfort. I see many people in local temple prying and asking for help. I
t is not easy for people to understand Buddhism. I still not have any great understanding about Karma, Rebirth and Nirvana.
So when people are in trouble I help them the way I can and ask them to pray and do hard work! For some people, I give a Dhamma book to read.

Buddha never taught Dhamma to a hungry person. He gave him some food first.
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