Three Steps Insight Meditation

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Three Steps Insight Meditation

Postby Astus » Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:04 pm

In Sakyapa instructions they use three steps for vipasyana (e.g. here):

Step One: Outer Appearances Are One’s Own Mind
Step Two: Mental Objects Are Illusory
Step Three: Illusions Are Devoid of Inherent Nature

Why is there such distinction? If something is not really out there, it is illusory and without a self-nature. Is this meant to be investigating from different angles rather than separate stages?
"There is no such thing as the real mind. Ridding yourself of delusion: that's the real mind."
(Sheng-yen: Getting the Buddha Mind, p 73)

“Don’t rashly seek the true Buddha;
True Buddha can’t be found.
Does marvelous nature and spirit
Need tempering or refinement?
Mind is this mind carefree;
This face, the face at birth."

(Nanyue Mingzan: Enjoying the Way, tr. Jeff Shore; T51n2076, p461b24-26)
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Re: Three Steps Insight Meditation

Postby Son of Buddha » Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:18 pm

Astus wrote:In Sakyapa instructions they use three steps for vipasyana (e.g. here):

Step One: Outer Appearances Are One’s Own Mind
Step Two: Mental Objects Are Illusory
Step Three: Illusions Are Devoid of Inherent Nature

Why is there such distinction? If something is not really out there, it is illusory and without a self-nature. Is this meant to be investigating from different angles rather than separate stages?

it seems their meditation is based around their doctinal view.
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Re: Three Steps Insight Meditation

Postby Jinzang » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:49 pm

It sounds similar to the explanation given in the seven points of mind training. First, one determines that all phenomena are mind. Then one looks at the mind and determines that it cannot be found; it is ungraspable. So everything is but an illusion. But when one looks at this experience of all phenomena as illusion, one sees that it is just another concept. One lets the remedy for the mistaken belief in the substantial nature of phenomena go free and relaxes in non-concept.
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Re: Three Steps Insight Meditation

Postby Astus » Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:55 am

Jinzang,

The order looks different than in the seven steps mind training. Establishing that all phenomena are mind is similar, but then here it emphasises first the dependent origination (2nd step) and then their emptiness (3rd step). Relaxing into the natural state comes after that with the unification of calming and insight (at least as I understand Sakya Trizin's explanation).
"There is no such thing as the real mind. Ridding yourself of delusion: that's the real mind."
(Sheng-yen: Getting the Buddha Mind, p 73)

“Don’t rashly seek the true Buddha;
True Buddha can’t be found.
Does marvelous nature and spirit
Need tempering or refinement?
Mind is this mind carefree;
This face, the face at birth."

(Nanyue Mingzan: Enjoying the Way, tr. Jeff Shore; T51n2076, p461b24-26)
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