evil person or just evil actions?

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evil person or just evil actions?

Postby chris98e » Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:44 pm

I have to disagree with the statment that there is no such thing as an evil person just an evil deed. I believe once a person has developed evil behavioral :buddha2: patterns then I consider that person to be evil. Whether a being is born inherently evil or not, or good or not, or both good and evil is a different disucssion. But once a person has developed evil behavioral pattererns I believe that person is evil.

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Postby David2 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:48 pm

A mass murderer can still become an arahant -- so how can he be inherently evil?

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Re: evil person or just evil actions?

Postby David2 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:03 pm

Imo it's better to see the suffering of those people than the "evilness".

Nobody is completely happy while and after doing unwholesome actions.

As the Dalai Lama has often said,
there is one thing all beings have in common:
They prefer not-suffering to suffering.

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Postby SeekingDharma » Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:11 pm

I suppose there is no better example than Angulimala (MN 86). He became enlightened and certainly wasn't evil past that point. Speaking in general, though, I think it is hard to turn the evil ship around. After enduring suffering, or just being inclined towards misdeed, most are unlikely to change without some sort of compelling influence.

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Postby chris98e » Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:23 pm

I see the assertion of not self from the Buddha as the self is impermanent and connected to every other living being [thus no (single soul)] in existence. As for your many questions just ask one or make a statment.

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Postby santa100 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:45 pm

Unwholesome behaviors if being reinforced over and over again will become a very strong habit energy that is difficult to fix. Evilness could be a form of addiction, a horrible one. I'm sure there're moments when a serial killer or serial rapist must've felt quite guilty and ashamed of their actions, but their habit energy is so strong that they keep on repeating those terrible deeds. That's why the Four Right Exertions (cattārimāni sammappadhānāni) lists its 1st item as: "the non-arising [anuppādāya] of evil, unskillful qualities that have not yet arisen", because once something's become a habit, it'd be 10 times or 100 times harder to get rid off..

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Postby Fede » Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:57 pm

"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

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Re: evil person or just evil actions?

Postby Jhana4 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:31 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.


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