Kagyu practices in daily life

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Re: Kagyu practices in daily life

Postby Caz » Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:02 am

conebeckham wrote:Hey Caz-

Due to being's varying karma, various practices relating to different gurus may have greater or lesser karmic affinity with certain beings.
Ultimately, though they are the same.

In terms of details, the various Kamtsang guru yogas listed differ widely in certain aspects.......so again, different sorts of relationships.


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So what specifically are the results of practicing certain Guru Yogas Ive been told that each has a different subtle result from the next ? :namaste:
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Re: Kagyu practices in daily life

Postby conebeckham » Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:39 pm

Honestly, I wouldn't know.....I'm familiar with a couple, but I can't say anything about 'results!"

By the same token, though, one could ask why there's more than one yidam, right? Yidam practice aims for the same result, ultimately, though methods differ, and perhaps even mundane siddhis may differ....

Theoretically, all LaDrups should result in the state of Vajradhara--that's the "Result," the Absolute Result, should one practice perfectly and purely. Guru Yoga, the path of Devotion, is also the means for attaining the "blessings" of the lineage, or, if you wish, of particular gurus in that lineage.

From the POV of relative truth, Gampopa was a different person than Marpa, who was a different person than Milarepa, etc. On the path of practice, the methods differ. Milarepa's Guru Yoga, for instance, relies on Dorje Phagmo as yidam, and on Mila as "In-Front Generation," and there are supplications, as well as instructions regarding Nature of Mind, which are included. Marpa's practice has outer, inner, and secret levels, and Hevajra is involved.

Gampopa was a (Kadam) monk. Marpa was a Gentleman Farmer. Milerapa was a naughty guy, or so the histories say, who became the greatest yogi in Tibetan history. Different people have different propensities, and may be drawn toward different types of teachers.
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Re: Kagyu practices in daily life

Postby gurokevin » Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:40 pm

I am currently focus solely on my Dorje Sempa practice (as per my root guru Thrangu Rinpche's instructions).
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Re: Kagyu practices in daily life

Postby Paul » Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:39 pm

conebeckham wrote: There's also Konchok Chidu, and others.......


Do you (or anyone else) know if there are different Konchok Chidu sadhanas? I am trying to identify the exact one that is used at Samye Ling in the UK.
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Re: Kagyu practices in daily life

Postby heart » Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:48 pm

Paul wrote:
conebeckham wrote: There's also Konchok Chidu, and others.......


Do you (or anyone else) know if there are different Konchok Chidu sadhanas? I am trying to identify the exact one that is used at Samye Ling in the UK.


There probably are since the terma text themselves are rather short and are used both in various Nyingma traditions as well as Kagyu ones. Most Kagyus seems to use the sadhana that Jamgon Kongtrul put together that is rather long and a short one like they use at Samye Ling that only covers the peaceful Guru. I seem to remember that you can order that from their website.

Tulku Dakpa from Mindroling Monastery and currently living in Helsinki Finland does a Drubchen of Konchok Chidu every year that anyone can join, if you are interested.

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Re: Kagyu practices in daily life

Postby muni » Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:58 pm

Kelwin wrote:Hi all,

As a follower of the Karma Kagyu path, I've seen different people do different practices. Obviously we all do or did the ngondro. And then some more. Then many continue with the Guru Yogas of Mikyo Dorje ,Karma Pakshi, or Milarepa. Others do Green Tara, Chenrezig, or Vajrayogini.

Other practices, like Chakrasamvara, Gyalwa Gyamtso, Mahakalu, Gampopa's Guru Yoga, the 6 yogas, etc, seem to be mostly done in retreat only (although I know exceptions to the rule).

So I was wondering, what other practices do you know are being done by those outside of retreat, living a householder's life?

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Re: Kagyu practices in daily life

Postby Silent Bob » Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:52 pm

heart wrote:
Paul wrote:
conebeckham wrote: There's also Konchok Chidu, and others.......


Do you (or anyone else) know if there are different Konchok Chidu sadhanas? I am trying to identify the exact one that is used at Samye Ling in the UK.


There probably are since the terma text themselves are rather short and are used both in various Nyingma traditions as well as Kagyu ones. Most Kagyus seems to use the sadhana that Jamgon Kongtrul put together that is rather long and a short one like they use at Samye Ling that only covers the peaceful Guru. I seem to remember that you can order that from their website.

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The "common" and most widely practiced Konchok Chidu sadhana, written by Jamgon Kongtrul and extracted from a much longer text, is that of the peaceful guru. The elaborate sadhana, also written by JK, contains its own ngondro, as well sections on each of the three roots, a long-life practice, a four karmas practice and a tsok.
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Re: Kagyu practices in daily life

Postby conebeckham » Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:10 pm

Do you know if the elaborate practice is available in translation?
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Re: Kagyu practices in daily life

Postby Paul » Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:27 pm

conebeckham wrote:Do you know if the elaborate practice is available in translation?


I think it may be the longer sadhana that Samye Ling practice every month on Guru Rinpoche day. I can check next time I am there, if you like. They also have a drubcho and drubchen that I think are from the Konchok Chidu.
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Re: Kagyu practices in daily life

Postby conebeckham » Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:17 pm

That would be nice, Paul, thanks, but no rush--I have the sort "Guru Shiwa" as well as the longer text in Tibetan.....interested to see if their versions match what I have. (There are two translation productions I've seen of the sort one--probably more versions exist, too--so I'm wondering how the long one matches........but it's mere curiosity on my part, and not important).
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Re: Kagyu practices in daily life

Postby Stewart » Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:43 pm

Hey,

Just noticed this thread....At Samye Ling on 10th day it's the long Konchog Chidu Sadhana, with Guru Drakpo and Senge Dongpachen. Usually people who practice it daily it is just Pema Obar (peaceful Guru)...the Drupchen includes GD, SD and Long Life....and Akong Rinpoche has also incorporated the long KC Sadhana into the 3 year retreat, so along with added Namcho Amitabha, the retreat is extended to 4 years.

ps. Cone I'll be down there in 2 weeks, so can check/get a text for you (pps. I still have Pakshi Ladrup stuff for you in an addressed envelope ready to send! sorry I haven't mailed it yet, last few months been busy!)
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Re: Kagyu practices in daily life

Postby heart » Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:48 pm

conebeckham wrote:Do you know if the elaborate practice is available in translation?


I have a translation of the long sadhana that Peter Allan Roberts did a long time ago.

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Re: Kagyu practices in daily life

Postby Paul » Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:53 pm

heart wrote:
conebeckham wrote:Do you know if the elaborate practice is available in translation?


I have a translation of the long sadhana that Peter Allan Roberts did a long time ago.

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That'll be the same as the Samye Ling one.
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Re: Kagyu practices in daily life

Postby heart » Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:55 pm

The short sadhana as well as many other sadhanas can be downloaded here for free http://www.namobuddhapub.com/category_s/57.htm

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Re: Kagyu practices in daily life

Postby muni » Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:44 am

Sometime go outside and sit,

In the evening at sunset,

When there’s a slight breeze that touches your body,

And makes the leaves and the trees move gently.

You’re not trying to do anything, really.

You’re simply allowing yourself to be,

Very open from deep within,

Without holding onto anything whatsoever.

Don’t bring something back from the past, from a memory.

Don’t plan that something should happen.

Don’t hold onto anything in the present.

Nothing you perceive needs to be nailed down.

Simply let experience take place, very freely,

So that your empty, open heart

Is suffused with the tenderness of true compassion.
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Re: Kagyu practices in daily life

Postby Meditating Bob » Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:13 am

As the OP discussion seems to have wound down a little I hope it is not too presumptuous of me to append my related query. I have come back to Tibetan Buddhism after many years away in other traditions and hope to be able to visit Samye Ling in Scotland a couple of times a year starting with the easter meditation retreat (an introductory retreat should be good to get me back into the swing of things). My question is, not being very familiar with the Kagyu tradition, what other introductions, instructions or initiations should I look out for in order to build usefully upon my meditation practice over the coming years?
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Re: Kagyu practices in daily life

Postby ollers » Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:55 pm

Hi !
If you want a nice translation of the long Könchu Chidu I would suggest the one from Nalanda. They also have translated the Ngöndro. Very nice one !
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