Dharma Wheel

http://www.paldenshangpa.net/2011/04/br ... in-france/

I really admire the courage of the new Kalu Rinpoche. Pretty amazing.

In Kagyü Ling (1000 Bouddhas) great cleaning has certainly to be done ...

Greetings

The web link shown above does not seem to be working today, but Kalu Rinpoche's same article can be read at the following link:

http://kalurinpochela.org/protecting-th ... us-dharma/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

best wishes to all

KYG

Where are all the trained and qualified lamas? Where are all the old students?

Okay - where are they?

Kirt

kirtu wrote:

Where are all the trained and qualified lamas? Where are all the old students?

Okay - where are they?

Kirt

The old sudents simply went away, and better go to Vajradhara Ling or else. As for the trained and qualified lamas, those who are there are trained and have "technical" qualifications. The main problem comes from the main responsable, which has never been interested by the management of the center ... his dream is to teach only. Because of that, organisation and right decisions are not realized. It starts with the non-vegetarian cooking until the bad "whisky drinking" habit of some (many) lamas. The temple is closed when no rituals so there is no ritual place, but you can see the temple from the first flour ... for money. Everything is organized around money, there is many tourists in this part of France and many are visiting the temple and the (superbe) parc around, including a stupa and a café-bar. Once a year, during summer, a festival is organized (not for free), and lama and there wifes are practicing tibetan dances.
So to the question asked, visitors have replaced old students and qualified lamas have a nice familly life, easy going, eating meat and drinking alcohol in a very nice place, for a puja two times per day (only in spring and summer) ... not all of course.

Sönam

terrible.
but still with hope.... yeah, we need some cleaning up!

http://www.paldenshangpa.net/2011/04/li ... nes-again/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sönam wrote:

kirtu wrote:

Where are all the trained and qualified lamas? Where are all the old students?

Okay - where are they?

Kirt

The old sudents simply went away, and better go to Vajradhara Ling or else. As for the trained and qualified lamas, those who are there are trained and have "technical" qualifications. The main problem comes from the main responsable, which has never been interested by the management of the center ... his dream is to teach only. Because of that, organisation and right decisions are not realized. It starts with the non-vegetarian cooking until the bad "whisky drinking" habit of some (many) lamas. The temple is closed when no rituals so there is no ritual place, but you can see the temple from the first flour ... for money. Everything is organized around money, there is many tourists in this part of France and many are visiting the temple and the (superbe) parc around, including a stupa and a café-bar. Once a year, during summer, a festival is organized (not for free), and lama and there wifes are practicing tibetan dances.
So to the question asked, visitors have replaced old students and qualified lamas have a nice familly life, easy going, eating meat and drinking alcohol in a very nice place, for a puja two times per day (only in spring and summer) ... not all of course.

Sönam

Sonam! IMV this is an example of shocking corruption. This doesn't have anything to do with money - if they want to/need to charge for admission or something then I don't like it but it's up to them. But temples need to be living institutions in the West where anyone can go to pray, meditate, practice. What you have described seems to be the reported old closed style where the temple became a business. It is only natural that a person like Kalu Rinpoche would object to something like this. Furthermore this impedes the growth of the Dharma in the West. It's worse than counterproductive. I could easy see Kalu Rinpoche being brokenhearted over this.

Kirt

Dhondrub wrote:http://www.paldenshangpa.net/2011/04/li ... nes-again/

this is the good new ... thank you

Sönam