Is lhung needed to recite this?

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Is lhung needed to recite this?

Postby Dharmaswede » Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:32 pm

Greetings,

Is lhung needed for "Yearning song of intense faith - calling the Guru from afar", composed by H.E. Sangye Nyenpa Rinpoche.

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Re: Is lhung needed to recite this?

Postby heart » Sat Oct 30, 2010 11:14 am

"Lung" is always better Jens because then it is a proper transmission. However, if you make up your mind to try and get it in the future I think that it is possible to use prayers without "lung", I certainly do.

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Re: Is lhung needed to recite this?

Postby Pero » Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:09 pm

heart wrote:"Lung" is always better Jens because then it is a proper transmission. However, if you make up your mind to try and get it in the future I think that it is possible to use prayers without "lung", I certainly do.

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I personally don't believe lungs are really necessary for prayers and invocations because if you don't understand the words they are pretty much useless (unlike mantras). I suppose the exception to that would be when there is a specific melody for singing which might have some meditative effect.
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Re: Is lhung needed to recite this?

Postby Dharmaswede » Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:41 pm

Thank you for the replies, they are greatly appreciated.

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Re: Is lhung needed to recite this?

Postby Dhondrub » Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:52 pm

By Kyabje Sangye Nyenpa? You make me curious. Where did you find it?


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Re: Is lhung needed to recite this?

Postby Dharmaswede » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:35 pm

Oh, a Dharma friend sent it to me (unsolicited).

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Re: Is lhung needed to recite this?

Postby Jangchup Donden » Wed Nov 03, 2010 2:44 pm

Isn't the point of this prayer to find a guru? Might be silly for it to require a lung since you'd need a guru for that. :P
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Re: Is lhung needed to recite this?

Postby Dharmaswede » Wed Nov 03, 2010 6:48 pm

There are many kinds of gurus... outer, inner, secret, root, those that cross you path briefly etc. etc. To me, the term guru in that sense is multilayered. Although it is of course literal too!

Lung is always good, but not always mandatory. In some cases that distinction is crucial.

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