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Dr. Buddha? (question about omniscience)

Postby Lazy_eye » Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:24 pm

I came across this statement on another forum:

"[The Buddha is} omnisciently aware of the karmic impulses (constructive, destructive, or mixed) and the non-karmic untainted impulses that anything is the ripened result of. He is aware of the karmic causes of everything that happens to everyone, even of a simple headache."

This is from a Tibetan Buddhist source. Would Theravada agree? Isn't the range of the Buddha's knowledge one of the four imponderables; hence, the statement above is "conjecture leading to madness and vexation"?

The Buddha does discuss the ten powers of the Tathagata in MN 12, but I see nothing there implying omniscience with regard to, say, an ordinary Joe's headache on a Tuesday morning. Are all headaches attributable to kamma, anyway?

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Re: Dr. Buddha? (question about omniscience)

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Re: Dr. Buddha? (question about omniscience)

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:51 pm

Hi LE
Dhammanando & myself had a conversation a while ago on this topic, I can't remember which thread it was off the top of my head but I will try to find a link, maybe Dhammanando knows which one if I can't find it.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Dr. Buddha? (question about omniscience)

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:12 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Dr. Buddha? (question about omniscience)

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Re: Dr. Buddha? (question about omniscience)

Postby sukhamanveti » Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:56 pm

Sīlaṃ balaṃ appaṭimaṃ.
Sīlaṃ āvudhamuttamaṃ.
Sīlamābharaṇaṃ seṭṭhaṃ.
Sīlaṃ kavacamabbhutaṃ.


Virtue is a matchless power.
Virtue is the greatest weapon.
Virtue is the best adornment.
Virtue is a wonderful armor.

Theragatha 614


Sabbapāpassa akaraṇaṃ,
kusalassa upasampadā,
Sacittapariyodapanaṃ,
etaṃ buddhāna sāsanaṃ.


Refraining from all wrong-doing,
Undertaking the good,
Purifying the mind,
This is the teaching of the buddhas.

Dhammapada v. 183/14.5

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Re: Dr. Buddha? (question about omniscience)

Postby sukhamanveti » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:26 am

Sīlaṃ balaṃ appaṭimaṃ.
Sīlaṃ āvudhamuttamaṃ.
Sīlamābharaṇaṃ seṭṭhaṃ.
Sīlaṃ kavacamabbhutaṃ.


Virtue is a matchless power.
Virtue is the greatest weapon.
Virtue is the best adornment.
Virtue is a wonderful armor.

Theragatha 614


Sabbapāpassa akaraṇaṃ,
kusalassa upasampadā,
Sacittapariyodapanaṃ,
etaṃ buddhāna sāsanaṃ.


Refraining from all wrong-doing,
Undertaking the good,
Purifying the mind,
This is the teaching of the buddhas.

Dhammapada v. 183/14.5

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