dzogchungpa wrote:Is there something about the article that you find unclear?
Sharmapa wrote: "To be honest, there are many things that are done in the Tibetan monastic system that go totally against the Vinaya. Yet, you are required to take these vows. Therefore, when you take the vows, already a few hours afterward you begin breaking them"
I guess the point is the very human quality of hypocrisy, in the service of self-centredness.Virgo wrote:I guess the point is to be a vow-breaker?
dzoki wrote:I totally agree with Shamar Rinpoche. Though I would go a bit further still.
Tibetan lay teachers dressing up as monks. I know it says somewhere that anyone who has taken refuge in Three jewels, can wear a monastic robe, but it is confusing to a general public, when a married lama is wearing monastic robe. Also this was not a custom in India, nor is it a custom in other Buddhist countries, except for Japan.
Practice of inner tantras is not suitable for monks. The actions and behaviour of mahayoga tantra is certainly in contradiction with monastic rules. Also it is very strange that practitioners of this secret mantrayana who consider mahayoga to be superior path to hinayana, dress up in garb of hinayana as if that was a supreme path. Also Atisha pointed out that practice of anuttaratantra save for the practice tied to the vase empoverment and mantra recitation is out of bounds for monastics. This was also norm in India.
I think ngagpas should be encouraged and supported in Tibetan society, but instead of it monastic sangha is supported much more even in the roles that are not fit for her.
What the heck?There was a way of getting foreign funding, but this involved avoiding the tax collectors from the government, which required breaking a monastic vow. There was no other choice but to do that back then. Many of the other lamas did this and didn’t care about breaking these vows since it was invisible. But, I did care and I still do.
So if we begin to analyze, then of course there would be bad karma if this tax were for the common good of others, such as a tax which funds a hospital for the blind or a tax that will build a road. This would have bad karma. But in general, I think it does not necessarily have the nature of bad karma.
conebeckham wrote:I think most "lay teachers" don't wear the true monastic robes, they wear robes that, on first glance, may appear to match the monastic robes. The Shentab skirt, and the vest, etc., would be appropriate for monks, IMO, but I have no problem with "lay teachers" wearing maroon lower garment (shamgyur) and zen, etc. "Lay teachers" are still to be distinguished from "non-teachers" I would think....?
conebeckham wrote:And I think "Inner Tantra" is suitable for monks, up to a point. Many great Lamas have commented on how the monastic vows and tantric samaya can be kept in harmony, and I see no problem ...Atisha may have said that, but Ngari Panchen and others have a different view.
Konchog1 wrote:What the heck?
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