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Karma Chakme's Mountain Dharma, Volume Five?

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:42 pm
by nameless
Hello

Is there a Karma Chakme's Mountain Dharma, Volume Five?

Regards

Re: Karma Chakme's Mountain Dharma, Volume Five?

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:22 pm
by Palzang Jangchub
According the publisher's details given for volume four, we know that at least up to chapter 43 ("The Steed Balaha") has been published. As I personally only have the first two volumes, I can't tell you if any of the subsequent chapters are included in volume four, or if they are to be published still. There are supposed to be 54 chapters in total, based on the table of contents given by Karma Chagme (as published in the first volume).

It's sort of unclear if the fifth volume is supposed to be the root text or not based on the description given on the KTD bookstore website. However, keep in mind that "[Khenpo Karthar] Rinpoche also omitted the chapters that he considered restricted. These restricted or secret parts will be taught and published separately at Karma Ling Retreat Center for use by qualified students."

It's possible to get the root text in the Tibetan if you can read it: http://www.namsebangdzo.com/Karma_Chakm ... /13488.htm

Re: Karma Chakme's Mountain Dharma, Volume Five?

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:38 pm
by KonchokZoepa
i second Karma Jinpa's reply. i think it was stated in the vol.2 introduction that the vol.5 is a restricted book.

Re: Karma Chakme's Mountain Dharma, Volume Five?

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:28 am
by nameless
OK it is restricted. But where can we buy who have permission?
I have tried to search for it..? Maybe the last part is not translated at all?

Re: Karma Chakme's Mountain Dharma, Volume Five?

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:47 am
by KonchokZoepa
maybe the best way is to contact Khenpo Karthar Rinpoche..

Re: Karma Chakme's Mountain Dharma, Volume Five?

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:08 pm
by nameless
I found out that part 5 is not available for general public at all. Even if you had permission.
I cannot Tibetan so I have no clues what the part 5 is about. I am interested in the original text of Karma Chakme.
Hopefully we see translation of the complete text if it is beneficial.

Re: Karma Chakme's Mountain Dharma, Volume Five?

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:37 pm
by conebeckham
There are "parts" of the previous volumes, or rather sections in the earlier portions of the original text, that were not translated, due to restrictions, as well as the fifth volume. These relate to aspects of practice that require personal transmission from a qualified teacher--prior to being able to read the text. If you can read Tibetan, you can find out what those things are, but it's not really worthwhile unless you' ve been exposed to those things already in a formal way.

Re: Karma Chakme's Mountain Dharma, Volume Five?

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:58 pm
by conebeckham
Some of the topics you'll find relate to protector practice, secret mantra yogi's activity, Dzogchen Togal, tummo and tsalung.......

Re: Karma Chakme's Mountain Dharma, Volume Five?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:26 am
by KonchokZoepa
:spy: :soapbox: :toilet:

Re: Karma Chakme's Mountain Dharma, Volume Five?

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:42 pm
by Palzang Jangchub
So apparently there is an auction being held by Shambhala Sun magazine, and one of the listings is this gem:

https://www.biddingforgood.com/auction/ ... =202593428

That's right, folks. They're estimating the value of a four-volume set of Karma Chakme's Mountain Dharma at $115... and the current leading bid is a paltry $37!!!

:jawdrop:

Re: Karma Chakme's Mountain Dharma, Volume Five?

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:32 pm
by Glyn
Karma Jinpa wrote:So apparently there is an auction being held by Shambhala Sun magazine, and one of the listings is this gem:

https://www.biddingforgood.com/auction/ ... =202593428

That's right, folks. They're estimating the value of a four-volume set of Karma Chakme's Mountain Dharma at $115... and the current leading bid is a paltry $37!!!

:jawdrop:
That's for a teaching/commentary on the text, not the text itself.