Chenrezig - practice, sadhana`s etc...

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Chenrezig - practice, sadhana`s etc...

Postby SuryaMitra » Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:44 pm

Hello all . I have a few questions.

1.What sadhana is used as a base in Karma Chagme`s Union of Mahamudra and Dzogchen teachings? Is it the one from the Royal Tradition from Songtsen Gampo ? or Thangtong Gyalpo?

2. When one is practicing Chenrezig as personal Yidam in Karma Kagyu, what sadhana is usually recommended?

3.I`ve heard that Thangtong Gyalpo sadhana is Chenrezig Guru Yoga, rather than actual Yidam practice, can someone with knowledge explain that to me?



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Re: Chenrezig - practice, sadhana`s etc...

Postby conebeckham » Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:51 pm

Not sure of the anwswer to your first question......would love to hear from others.

In general, I'd say the most popular Chenrezig sadhana amongst Kagyupas is Thangtong Gyalpo's Droden KaKhaybma, fleshed out with additional prayers and liturgy. There's also the whole tradition of Gyalwa Gyamtso, which is vital to the Karma Kagyu lineage, and is a three year retreat practice, normally, these days.

There's also Khorwa Dongdruk, there was a thread about that here....some Lamas maintain a daily recitation of that practice.

As for ThangGyal's Chenrezig being a "guru yoga"--well, there's some truth to that--the guru as Chenrezig above the head, etc.--and that aspect of the practice can be emphasized. The "Dak Kye" or self-generation can also be emphasized.
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Re: Chenrezig - practice, sadhana`s etc...

Postby SuryaMitra » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:01 pm

Ok. Thank you.
So I assume that it is Guru Yoga when you have Chenrezig above your head (in Droden KaKhaybma) and that correspond with Kriya yoga style, and when you generate yourself as deity then it is more Yoga Tantra?
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Re: Chenrezig - practice, sadhana`s etc...

Postby Karma Jinpa » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:54 pm

conebeckham wrote:Not sure of the anwswer to your first question......would love to hear from others.

I second that. Glyn, you seem to be rather well acquainted with Chagme Rinpoche's lineage. Do you happen to know?

As for ThangGyal's Chenrezig being a "guru yoga"--well, there's some truth to that--the guru as Chenrezig above the head, etc.--and that aspect of the practice can be emphasized. The "Dak Kye" or self-generation can also be emphasized.

Keep in mind that many of the practices (ngondro, yidam practice, etc.) are often said to be "complete paths" by the lamas. This means that they contain all the essential elements necessary to cause to realization of enlightenment.

Yidam sadhanas are usually glossed as "generation stage" practices, but as Cone indicated, really there are many facets and you can emphasize one aspect or another. Deity yoga starts with refuge & bodhicitta, then deals with generation stage visualization and mantra recitation. And then there's the dissolution of the visualization, which is completion stage.

All sources of refuge and all the three roots are complete within the guru, and remember that you visualized the guru as the deity when he or she gave you the empowerment. In that sense, the whole thing could be considered guru yoga.
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