Bodhicharyavatara as taught in Kagyu

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Bodhicharyavatara as taught in Kagyu

Postby Palzang Jangchub » Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:09 am

Was wondering what resources or commentaries are out there for studying Shantideva's magnum opus from Kagyu lamas.

Most of what is readily available comes thru Dza Patrul Rinpoche's lineage. Patrul Rinpoche---while definitely well-respected by all schools and Rimé in view---was Nyingmapa in training. The best known and most widely used commentary, The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech, was authored by his student, Khenpo Kunpal.

Try as I might, I found the traditional layout of NMS quite incomprehensible, almost as if written in code or like I needed to have Shantideva's work in one hand and Khenpo Kunpal commentary in the other, jumping back and forth. This is certainly my failing, rather than Khenpo Kunpal's.

Nonetheless, I've always found the commentaries of the Kagyu masters to be quite simple, concise, and pithy, and that they read like great works in and of themselves, full of lucid and practical teachings. The works of Karma Chagme are a prime example, with Kyabjé Bokar Rinpoche's and Khenpo Karthar Rinpoche's being modern paragons.

So, any Kagyu commentaries on the Bodhichariot out there that someone can point me (and others) to?
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Re: Bodhicharyavatara as taught in Kagyu

Postby KonchokZoepa » Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:44 am

i was a bit dissapointed about the layout of the nectar of manjushris speech, the downside of it is that the root text is not embedded in the commentary, so it makes it hard to read and reflect. like you said you need the original text alongside the commentary.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



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Re: Bodhicharyavatara as taught in Kagyu

Postby KonchokZoepa » Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:47 am

to answer your question, the only one i know of is the kunzang pelden's commentary that is the nectar of manjushris speech. and i would quite strongly believe that it is the only translated commentary, at least of the kagyu commentaries.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: Bodhicharyavatara as taught in Kagyu

Postby Palzang Jangchub » Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:42 am

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Re: Bodhicharyavatara as taught in Kagyu

Postby Jinzang » Sun Oct 27, 2013 1:08 am

Bardor Tulku gave a commentary on the Bodhicharyavatara. It's available as audio CDs through the Namse Bangdzo bookstore, but it's pretty pricey. Lama Phurbu Tashi is teaching it on . Drop in if you're in the area and say hi.

If Nectar of Manjushri's Speech is too much, I'd suggest reading the Dalai Lama's commentary. I also liked Geshe Kelsang Gyamtso's commentary< meaningful to Behold. Neither of these take the Kagyu perspective,, obviously.
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Postby Palzang Jangchub » Sun Oct 27, 2013 1:41 pm

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Re: Bodhicharyavatara as taught in Kagyu

Postby Skydancer » Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:30 am

Ringu Tulku Rinpoche is teaching Bodhicharyavatara in the form of online shedra on his website. At the moment the website is off-line, but I'm sure it will be back online soon. Meanwhile you can take a look around via .

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Postby Palzang Jangchub » Sat Nov 02, 2013 7:06 pm

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Thank you, Skydancer! Always lovely to see free online shedra :twothumbsup:
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Re: Bodhicharyavatara as taught in Kagyu

Postby Palzang Jangchub » Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:46 am

Does anyone who has this set of teachings care to tell us more about them? Stumbled upon this in the Shambhala Holiday Catalog that just went out via email.

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"The Sutras, Tantras, and Philosophical Scriptures are great in number. However life is short, and intelligence is limited, so it's hard to cover them completely. You may know a lot, but if you don't put it into practice, it's like dying of thirst on the shore of a great lake. Likewise, a common corpse is found in the bed of a great scholar." ~ Karma Chagme



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