Well, since you believe it, it must be correct, right? I think I quite clearly stated in my previous post that (for me) the opinion of a complete stranger on an anonymous internet forum does not count as any sort of authority. Anyway, you don't have to be a lama to give a lung, you just have to have received it yourself and have been authorised to give the lung for the practice. At least that's what this anonoymous internet user has been told. Actually my teacher has authorised me to give lungs for "basic" mantra (Chenrezig, Tara, etc...) and practices.KonchokZoepa wrote:oh i did not receive lung for my achi sadhana but i believe im authorized to practice it anyway. and my sangha friends intentionally gave me with effort an english version of this sadhana so i could practice it, even when i dont have lung.
The lama does not have to be "tibetan" in order to give the lung. Sometimes lamas do not give lungs because they don't want the specific student to do the practice.no i think there is real and precious value in lungs, just that it is not possible for all the tibetan lamas to go and give lung to every sadhana every disciple wants to receive a lung to.
And your opinion counts how much exactly? Why exactly should I give credence to your opinion?what i think is stupid, is to stick to some stupid belief that you need an ''authorization'' to practice the sadhana.
In some cases the lung may be given during the empowerment, but only when stated.the empowerment does that...
Traditionally the lung was the ONLY method for receiving some practices. Practices were given orally, not in a written form....what the lung does is transfer the realization and blessing of the lineage and the lama to the practice that the lama is giving the lung for, so yes it is very precious but not necessary to engage in practice.
What are you talking about? You are saying that you don't need a lung because maybe you will not receive a lung from a retreat you have not yet taken part in???in example, the next retreat im attending, there are chöd teachings and practices, yet we dont know if there will be chöd initiation or lung. The Lama decides if we need that. so we can come to a conclusion that it is not like '' if you do not have lung you are not authorized to practice the text, it is strictly forbidden '', who came up with this thought and why?
Yeah. He probably saw Kenpo Samdup horsing around with the other monks and thought to himself: "Idle hands make for the devils work, what can I do to stop Kenpo Samdup from accumulating unwholesome effects? Hmmmmm...? I know! I'll make him give everybody the lung for the practice!"no i dont reckon he is stupid. you surely seem to know Garchen Rinpoche's true intentions on parting the lung to people. '' so that people could practice the text '', did Garchen Rinpoche say actually that with those words,intention and meaning?
I don't know. Maybe you should ask them. I only go by what my teachers tell me.Why is there a Vajrakilaya sadhana and hundreds of other sadhanas on many websites, like vimalatreasures, namsebangdzo, samye ling, garchens website, vajrapub etc many other websites open for purchase without any reservation. they do not restrict them for only to those that have received lung or initiation to a particular sadhana.
personally i would just practice the sadhana you like if you have and not care about little details like empowerment. its good to have it but if you feel strong connection with a practice, i think it would be stupid to not to practice it even if you dont have the empowerment. its a bonus but not a prerequisite.lets not take this too far though, initiation is necessary to practice the deity...
How ridiculous does that sound?
It is actually even easier, since the only thing one needs to receive practices is an internet connection.people seem to be blinded and follow strictly dogmatic viewpoint when considering the traditional way of things. this is not last centurys tibet where there is a lama around every corner to bestow the blessings.