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Does anybody know about meditating on Guru Rinpoche within karma kagyu? I mean what text or terma is ussually for using in karma kagyu?
thank you
T

Trinle wrote:Does anybody know about meditating on Guru Rinpoche within karma kagyu? I mean what text or terma is ussually for using in karma kagyu?
thank you
T

Jatson Nyingpo's Konchog Chidu (dkon mchog spyi 'dus).

udawa wrote:

Trinle wrote:Does anybody know about meditating on Guru Rinpoche within karma kagyu? I mean what text or terma is ussually for using in karma kagyu?
thank you
T

Jatson Nyingpo's Konchog Chidu (dkon mchog spyi 'dus).

And then some!!! Guru Rinpoche prayers are very common in the Karma Kagyu. The Barchey Lamsel and Dusum Sangye by Chokgyur Lingpa are two that come to mind.

Jatson Nyingpo and Chokgyur Lingpa are probably the two most influential tertons I can think of but how about Yonge Mingyur Dorje and his Drollo terma? That counts as a Guru Rinpoche practice , no? Then there's Chogyam Thrungpa's sadhana of mahamudra. If Yonge Drollo counts, this one should too.

Not to change the subject, but does anyone have any information on Yonge Mingyur Dorje's terma? Know of any translated sadhanas or related material?

Thanks.

There's not much around translated....basically there are 3 main cycles....Dorje Drollo, which contains several other Sadhanas.....Shitro Padmavajra and Tsedrub Tabshey Khajor.

The Drollo wang isn't given often by Mingyur Rinpoche, couple of times at Sherab Ling....there are Lamas who specialise specifically on the main Sadhana there.....and a Drupchen is performed annually.

The most widespread empowerment given from Yongey Mingyur Dorje is the Karma Pakshi Ladrup....although many people stress it isn't a Terma per se but a pure vision. ..it is however included in the Terdzod.

Also I received a lesser known Sadhana Wang from Mingyur Rinpoche several years ago from the Tabshey Khajor cycle entitled 'Namkhai Nyingpo' I requested it on a chance he'd agree and also got a personal explanation of the Sadhana on the roof of Cardiff university on a clear summer night. He is quite special.

My hope is that he reveals Terma in this life. Perhaps during his mountain retreat.

Stewart wrote:There's not much around translated....basically there are 3 main cycles....Dorje Drollo, which contains several other Sadhanas.....Shitro Padmavajra and Tsedrub Tabshey Khajor.

The Peaceful Guru section of the Konchog Chidu sadhana is available as a free download through Thrangu Rinpoche's Namo Buddha website, translated by Lama Yeshe Gyamtso:
http://www.namobuddhapub.com/category_s/57.htm

Thanks Stewart.
I didn't think there was much around. I understand quite a few lamas practice the Yonge Drollo regularly. Maybe the main Drollo sadhana? Do you know what the others focus on? I found a short gyunkhyer by 15th Karmapa on TBRC, it was in uchen whereas Yonge Mingyur Dorje's Drollo cycle was in umed, which I find v. difficult to understand. Any info about this terma would be gratefully received.

The Drollo cycle contains Sadhanas of the Five Families, Guru Dorje Drakpo Tsal, Samantabhadra, Mandarava, Dzambhala and the protector of the cycle, Trakshe.

At Tergar Khacho Ling in Tibet, the Drollo cycle in practised in 6 year retreats by Lamas there, along with Dzogchen.

A friend of mine was translating the main Drollo Sadhana along with a commentary by Situ Panchen, but afaik it's not finished.

Actually the same friend was hit by a London bus after Mingyur Rinpoche gave him a little folded Dorje Drollo Yantra that MR had made in his personal Drollo retreat, my friend was fine, a little dazed, but where his head had hit the windshield it was shattered! My friend didn't have a mark on him!

Thank you for the answers.
T

Do all of these count as "Karma Kagyu?"

I thought a common label for these type of things is "ka-nying". Hybrid.

I don't think you would call them 'Karma Kagyu' as such, but they are all examples of practices focusing "on Guru Rinpoche within karma kagyu... text or terma is ussually for using in karma kagyu " As the OP asked.
Of course Yonge Mingyur Dorje's Drollo cycle was given to the 10th Karmapa Choying Dorje specifically to remove obstacles for the Karma Kagyu but there are various reasons why these particular termas are favoured by the lineage.
Also, there may be lamas and others who consider themselves to be Karma Kagyupas who practice other Guru Rinpoche terma practices, like Rigdzin Dupa, but the ones listed are more common, especially for Karma Kamtsang retreats and monasteries.

michaelb wrote:I don't think you would call them 'Karma Kagyu' as such, but they are all examples of practices focusing "on Guru Rinpoche within karma kagyu... text or terma is ussually for using in karma kagyu " As the OP asked.
Of course Yonge Mingyur Dorje's Drollo cycle was given to the 10th Karmapa Choying Dorje specifically to remove obstacles for the Karma Kagyu but there are various reasons why these particular termas are favoured by the lineage.
Also, there may be lamas and others who consider themselves to be Karma Kagyupas who practice other Guru Rinpoche terma practices, like Rigdzin Dupa, but the ones listed are more common, especially for Karma Kamtsang retreats and monasteries.

But Konchog Chidu for instance is also practiced within the Nyingma, it is not exclusive to Karma Kagyupas. . . Perhaps Mingyur Dorje's terma is more specific but I am close with Nyingma Lamas who specialize in Konchog Chidu, having done significant long retreats on it. So I would say it is practiced by Karma Kagyupas, but it is not a Karma Kagyu practice perse

Adamantine wrote:But Konchog Chidu for instance is also practiced within the Nyingma, it is not exclusive to Karma Kagyupas. . . Perhaps Mingyur Dorje's terma is more specific but I am close with Nyingma Lamas who specialize in Konchog Chidu, having done significant long retreats on it. So I would say it is practiced by Karma Kagyupas, but it is not a Karma Kagyu practice perse

I'm not sure I understand. The thread was started by someone asking what Guru Rinpoche practices are most commonly practiced in the Karma Kagyu school. The most commonly practiced GR practices seem to be the termas of Jatson Nyingpo, Chokgyur Dechen Lingpa and (if you count Drollo) Yonge Mingyur Dorje. That's not to say that other traditions don't also practice these termas or that Karma Kagyupas don't practice other termas. Just these are, or seem to me to be, the most popular amongst Karma Kagyupas.

Just to add to what's already been said: Another of Yongay Mingyur Dorje's termas, Pema Benzra, is pretty popular at most Kagyu monasteries, as well. Guru Rinpoche is in there, too.

Edit: I see this was already included, as Shitro Padmavajra.

Re "Ka-Nying," this is really a designation developed by Tulku Urgyen and sons...
Most Karma Kagyu Lamas are familiar with Konchok Chidu. But Karma Kagyu practitioners have been utlizing Nyingma practices of all sorts for hundreds of years before anyone was calling anyone "Ka-Nying."

Let us not forget the Seven Line Prayer to Guru Rinpoche. HH the 17th Karmapa, Ogyen Trinley Dorje, answered students about how they could help benefit his activities by instructing them to accumulate that specific prayer.

The Karmapa has a strong association with Guru Rinpoche, hence the Karmapa's encouragement of the Billion Vajra Guru mantra accumulation in years past. Maybe it has something to do with the vision Yongey Mingyur Dorje had of the 2nd Karmapa? Khenpo Karthar Rinpoche was giving an empowerment on Karma Pakshi recently, during which he said that the Karmapa is none other than Guru Rinpoche, and that they are inseparable.

Karma Jinpa wrote:Let us not forget the Seven Line Prayer to Guru Rinpoche. HH the 17th Karmapa, Ogyen Trinley Dorje, answered students about how they could help benefit his activities by instructing them to accumulate that specific prayer.

The Karmapa has a strong association with Guru Rinpoche, hence the Karmapa's encouragement of the Billion Vajra Guru mantra accumulation in years past. Maybe it has something to do with the vision Yongey Mingyur Dorje had of the 2nd Karmapa? Khenpo Karthar Rinpoche was giving an empowerment on Karma Pakshi recently, during which he said that the Karmapa is none other than Guru Rinpoche, and that they are inseparable.

Your last comment is true, as it is said that the first Karmapa (and all subsequent incarnations) is a direct emanation of one of Guru Rinpoche's 25 disciples (can't remember which one at the moment), who in turn were emanations of Guru Rinpoche himself.

A number of Karma Kagyu practitoners are also using Jinlab Charbeb, the famous guruyoga based on 7 line prayer by Ju Mipham.