Dechen Norbu wrote:
Unfortunatelly. But the effect also depends of the power you give to it. Don't cling to being legitimate or illegitimate. The lineages on both sides are intact and the teachings themselves are legitimate.
This is what I was saying: they are intact right now, in the near future...?
Politics don't make lineages, much less teachings, legitimate.
On both sides, afaik, what is taught is pure Buddhadharma. Leave aside the politics and you'll be fine.
My dear DN, I (as you well know) have no problem whatsoever leaving the politics out of it, unfortunately though I do not live in my own little world. I am sure you have bumped into a number of brick walls during your lifetime too!
It's all self interest and ego-clinging, this wish to recognition and ratification. From one side or the other, it doesn't matter. HHDL also said that he liked President Bush once. This doesn't mean I have to like him. Circumstances are powerful and sometimes they affect how mundane affairs work themselves out. In the end it's samsara. Sometimes you have to suck it up and still do your practice. Even when things don't go well, they are not going well in a dream. As long as this dream that is life doesn't get so nasty that waking up becomes impossible and this, once again, depends mostly of your practice and insight- how much involvement do people have with the mundane concerns- practice is still effective. Your attainments don't depend of any of that, unless you're starving, homeless and other dire situations. This is not the case. It's Tibetan politics that have nothing to do with you if you don't want them to have . They depend of your practice and the qualification of your teacher, not how others see it.
True, but sometimes its how the teachers see it that influences the situation as well. As for the HHDL situation, look at what happened to dedicated practitioners of the Jonangpa tradition or with the Gyalpo deal. Okay, there is no danger of me being hunted down and forced to become a Gelugpa but... I don't want to open a can of worms here, suffice to say that HHDL's opinion counts in the Dharma community. What if he were to turn around and do the same thing to Karmapa Trinley Thaye Dorje? You see it is not as easy as "Just be dedicated to your practice and..." Unfortunately we are all subject to the effects of what is happening in relative reality.
What will happen to the unbroken chain of blessing of the lineage? Two seperate lineages both claiming to be Karma Kagyu? Two Shamarpas? Two Situpas? ad nauseum...
Forget the fancy titles. What's important is that your lama is qualified. All the rest is Tibetan BS and should be seen as such. Bad political decisions ultimately lead them defenseless to China. They were never the best politicians. That has little or nothing to do with your practice.
You have not inherited any problem unless you chose to make it your own. It's the candidates problem, and the problem of everyone who has a mundane interest in the outcome of this situation. You can simply ignore it, trust your teacher and do your practice. There are many problems in the word much more serious that that crap. People die of wars and starvation as we speak. Still, we can practice or we can let ourselves be sucked by all the dreadful situations we choose to connect ourselves with. I know these are different matters, but both are mundane. Some just wear robes, but that's all. We can choose what we get involved with in every aspect of our life. Even if externally we are involved with a lot of stuff, sometimes because we have to be, none of that changes what really goes on with our practice. There are the roles we play in a dream, that we must play many times for our sake and the sake of others, and then there's the awareness of the dream nature of the dream. Our practice should be deeply connected to the second, not the first.
I agree with your analysis here.
Retreats serve to disconnect us a bit from the first, so they are called training conditions. If you went to a closed retreat right now for some years, the whole affair wouldn't bother you the least.
Don't be so sure of this. If you are in a traditional three year centre you get a heavy dosage of Karmapa-ism as part of your stay there. No doubt! Not to mention "higher vs lower vehicle"-ism.
I do like you say. Listen to my teacher (though he'd have a fit if he saw I was discussing Dharma politics), do my practice and ignore the rest. Unfortunately in a Dharma community as small as Greece's it's difficult for paths not to cross.