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Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?

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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:33 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?

Postby mikenz66 » Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:39 am

Sorry, Retro, I read that sutta as simply talking about motion, whether in the body or externally. And so on with the other properties. I really can't figure out your angle here...

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Postby retrofuturist » Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:50 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?

Postby Kenshou » Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:13 pm

Even if back then they took the 4 elements thing literally, that doesn't disqualify the qualities that have been classically categorized under the 4 elements as objects of contemplation for the form aggregate. No need to throw out the baby with the bath etc.

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Postby Kenshou » Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:39 pm

Sure. Though I think the categories are fine enough, as long as we remember that they're just names and not literal elements.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?

Postby kirk5a » Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:00 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Postby retrofuturist » Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:21 am

:thumbsup:

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?

Postby rowyourboat » Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:21 pm

Ven Sariputta seems to suggest that the dhathus refer to the different phases of matter- solid, liquid, gaseous and plasma .. well in line with classical physics.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?

Postby daverupa » Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:55 pm

The point is not, as in the physical sciences, to develop an exhaustive and exclusive accounting of the constituency of matter, but rather to develop an exhaustive and exclusive modality for describing the possible range of human experience in order to showcase three characteristics which inhere: anicca, dukkha, anatta. The four elements are thus intended to be understood together as fully encompassing human experience, not teased apart so that one can set about tabulating objects.


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