Contemporary tertons of Eastern Tibet

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Contemporary tertons of Eastern Tibet

Postby zangskar » Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:11 pm


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Re: Contemporary tertons of Eastern Tibet

Postby username » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:06 pm

The ngakpa site like the nyingma.com or Buddhism for vampires by Chapman & his group are all thinly disguised PR fronts for the Aro people. The main function for them is to lure in people through these webs. Their English leader claims to be a terton now. Before he and his top men denied this on forums. He has a strategic alliance with the American leader of flaming jewel group who also tells his followers he is a terton & reacted angrily when he was told the Dalai lama did not recognize him as the tulku of Do Khyentse and said the Dalai lama should not interfere in Nyingma! Needless to say no master has recognized his or the Aro leader as tulkus. Both do not speak Tibetan after decades and know less than a teenage monk. They spend some money in Pemako Region to some Tibetans & use those for their PR & need for money.

The Aro group contribute financially to their leader. All the dead masters on their sites, from Chimed Rigzin to Kunzang Dorje Rinpoche became wrathful with him in the end and told him to stop his claims and teachings. Another master pictured on their site was threatened to be sued by him. Also the claimed lineage is denied by all masters as fictional. There were various revelations about their group on bbs/Web from the 90's by ex members.

He claims some of the stuff like what he saw in red lettering is not his invention but genuinely from other beings. I think so too but what beings? Dudjom rinpoche decades before in his terma predicted one of the false terma by a false terton, one of the worst things ever, in this degenerate age soon will be called Aro. The academic names in the link are most likely not Aro like Chapman himself. Before joining any groups newcomers will be wise to do some research about the validity of any lineage as well as unusual claims. Basically it is best to research a lot before committing to any unusual self appointed 'master' and always be rational, logical, moderate & safe with major decisions.

The best source on the subject of tertons is Hidden Teachings of Tibet: An Explanation of the Terma Tradition of Tibetan Buddhism by tulku Thondup. The above paper is also interesting as is the book and papers by Andreas Doctor.
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Re: Contemporary tertons of Eastern Tibet

Postby dakini_boi » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:27 pm


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Re: Contemporary tertons of Eastern Tibet

Postby username » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:35 pm

Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Contemporary tertons of Eastern Tibet

Postby zangskar » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:54 pm


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Re: Contemporary tertons of Eastern Tibet

Postby username » Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:04 pm

No I said the academic reference was most likely unrelated & elsewhere said the paper was interesting. Anyway I am glad you posted the link as freedom of information & expression is not only oxygen for spreading awareness but a sacred principle that should be defended even for those we disagree with as Voltaire said.
PS. Just saw your edit.
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Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Contemporary tertons of Eastern Tibet

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Re: Contemporary tertons of Eastern Tibet

Postby username » Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:40 pm

Their followers can travel to India & Nepal and verify for themselves, despite the numerous false PR online, from the loved ones of Chimed Rigzin Rinpoche & recently before he passed away Kunzang Dorje Rinpoche if the fellow was often told to stop & failing those warnings then banished, or not, for themselves. I will not name any one else or have anything else to say nor feel compelled to persuade any adult who should according to vajrayana investigate thoroughly before committing.
Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Contemporary tertons of Eastern Tibet

Postby mmm » Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:42 pm

I saw in Bodhgaya this year a monk from Namdrolling shedra who had a short sadhana of Tara with ganachakra puja revealed only two or three years ago by an unknown terton. And Gyalse Tulku said there are nowadays around forty tertons in Golok or Amdo I dont remember. bye

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Re: Contemporary tertons of Eastern Tibet

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Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Contemporary tertons of Eastern Tibet

Postby Yudron » Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:53 pm

You know, I've found the Tibetan lamas don't care at all about the western lamas we all criticize. The stories they know about some other Asian lamas are so much worse, they make our guys look like no big deal at all.
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Re: Contemporary tertons of Eastern Tibet

Postby username » Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:28 am

"False Termas: Reverse Effect of Practice of Some Termas:
The reason contrary and inauspicious results occur when
some Termas are practiced is that there are false discovered
teachings. In particular there are false texts that look like
Terma script, and which are by false Tertons, the rebirths of
wrongly aspiring evil ministers (*) of the ancient time who
have the support of certain demonic spirits as the protectors
of those Termas. Such teachings belong to demonic forces.
By reciting and practicing those false teachings the follower
will move only in the wrong direction.
(* Evil ministers, Dud Ion (bDud Blott): While Guru
Padmasambhava was establishing Buddhism in Tibet until it
reached its peak, many esoteric teachings were concealed
for the future. Powerful but wrongly inspired
ministers, people and spirits made evil aspirations to
corrupt the Terma teachings by discovering false Termas
in the future. That is why false Termas are discovered in
Tibet from time to time as counterparts to the positively
effective and precious Termas.)...

THE REASON WHY NEGATIVE ASPIRATIONS WERE
MADE BY EVIL MINISTERS, ETC.:
Negative aspirations were made by evil ministers in order
to obstruct the enlightened activities of Guru Rinpoche. If
disciples of the profound Termas of Guru Rinpoche who
have the desire to achieve supreme attainment are fooled
into mistaking these false teachings for pure teachings, and
if they practice them, it will cause the decline of their
fortunes, their life, and so on. If any short-sighted people
who have no desire to attain a perpetual goal (enlightenment)
should practice these false teachings, then for the
time being it might seem to be helpful for increasing life,
majesty and the power of speech, but (eventually) those
teachings will become a cause of samsara and hell for them."

-Hidden teachings of Tibet: An explanation of the Terma
tradition of Tibetan Buddhism, Wisdom Publications,
1986, 1997 by Tulku Thondup Rinpoche, disciple of
Dodrupchen Rinpoche & Chimed Rigzin Rinpoche
Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Contemporary tertons of Eastern Tibet

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Re: Contemporary tertons of Eastern Tibet

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Re: Contemporary tertons of Eastern Tibet

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Re: Contemporary tertons of Eastern Tibet

Postby emaho » Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:14 am

I don't know anything about that dissertation mentioned in the OP or if it's related to the socalled Aro Ter.

But the Aro Ter is a fake. They claim to be the only real students of the late Chhimed Rigdzin Rinpoche, but they didn't even go to his cremation. During his last years, Chhimed Rigdzin Rinpoche has not left out an opportunity to publicly state that his students James Low and Gudrun Knausenberger have his permission to give initiations. He never ever said that Ngakpa Chogyam has his permission to give initiations.

The students of Chhimed Rigdzin Rinpoche in Vienna unanimously report that during one teaching or initiation in Vienna (must have been around 1998) Chhimed Rigdzin has publicly stated that two Englishmen had come to him, asking for his permission to give initiations and that he had not granted them that permission.

Amongst other stuff Ngagpa Chogyam claims that one of his books was accepted as a dissertation which is unfounded. People who knew him and Chhimed Rigdzin Rinpoche at that time report that his book was never accepted as a dissertation. Of course this will be rejected as hearsay by his followers, but if Ngakpa Chogyam really has a Ph.D. why doesn't he prove it? - Apart of the fact that accepting a book as a dissertation after it has already been published would be against any academic standards Ngakpa Chogyam has never proven his claim by showing his certificate.

Chogyam also claims to be a Terton. He has a crystal ball he found somewhere and which he claims is a Terma, but Chhimed Rigdzin Rinpoche never confirmed this crystal ball as a Terma. I have spoken with a person who has accompanied Chhimed Rigdzin at that time and who was present during that interview when Chogyam came to Chhimed Rigdzin with that crystal ball. This person has confirmed that Chhimed Rigdzin has not acknowledged that crystal ball as a Terma. Of course this will also be rejected as hearsay, slander or mud-slinging. But everybody can investigate this matter and speak to the close students of Chhimed Rigdzin Rinpoche by themselves.

There also is a recording where Chhimed Rigdzin mentions this crystal ball and says if that would be a Terma you could obviously buy thousands of Termas if you have enough money, but he wouldn't cheat and lie in this way.

I cannot upload this file here, because the extension .mp3 is not allowed for attachments on this board.
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