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What is Yeshe Ysogyal's relationship to Vajrayogini?

sangyey wrote:What is Yeshe Ysogyal's relationship to Vajrayogini?

Tsogyal is considered to the a nirmanakāya, Vajrayogini is considered to be the Sambhogakāya; Samantabhadri is the Dharmakāya.

I'm familiar with Vajrayogini from the Kagyu perspective, but how common is she in Nyingma lineages? (I am aware of the somewhat artificial dichotomy here).
Are there terma practices of Vajrayogini that are used within a Nyingma and Dzogchen context?

Edit: PS I didn't mean to hijack the thread, I hope the original question is sufficiently answered by Malcolm's reply. I would however be interested to know, if there are Nyingma practices of her, in the same dancing posture, and if Yeshe Tsogyal plays a role in the Sadhanas.

Kelwin wrote:I'm familiar with Vajrayogini from the Kagyu perspective, but how common is she in Nyingma lineages? (I am aware of the somewhat artificial dichotomy here).
Are there terma practices of Vajrayogini that are used within a Nyingma and Dzogchen context?

Edit: PS I didn't mean to hijack the thread, I hope the original question is sufficiently answered by Malcolm's reply. I would however be interested to know, if there are Nyingma practices of her, in the same dancing posture, and if Yeshe Tsogyal plays a role in the Sadhanas.

Vajrayogini in various forms is a critical Anuyoga practice in many, many, cycles of teachings, beginning with the Khandro Nyinthig, which set the pattern for the rest.

Malcolm wrote:

Kelwin wrote:I'm familiar with Vajrayogini from the Kagyu perspective, but how common is she in Nyingma lineages? (I am aware of the somewhat artificial dichotomy here).
Are there terma practices of Vajrayogini that are used within a Nyingma and Dzogchen context?

Edit: PS I didn't mean to hijack the thread, I hope the original question is sufficiently answered by Malcolm's reply. I would however be interested to know, if there are Nyingma practices of her, in the same dancing posture, and if Yeshe Tsogyal plays a role in the Sadhanas.

Vajrayogini in various forms is a critical Anuyoga practice in many, many, cycles of teachings, beginning with the Khandro Nyinthig, which set the pattern for the rest.

I've practiced her in other forms, like Throma Nagmo, but haven't encountered her yet in the same 'Kagyu style' red form, dancing on one leg. But she will be there again then, once I dive more deeply into the Nyingthig's? That, somehow, is reassuring

Kelwin wrote:

Malcolm wrote:

Kelwin wrote:I'm familiar with Vajrayogini from the Kagyu perspective, but how common is she in Nyingma lineages? (I am aware of the somewhat artificial dichotomy here).
Are there terma practices of Vajrayogini that are used within a Nyingma and Dzogchen context?

Edit: PS I didn't mean to hijack the thread, I hope the original question is sufficiently answered by Malcolm's reply. I would however be interested to know, if there are Nyingma practices of her, in the same dancing posture, and if Yeshe Tsogyal plays a role in the Sadhanas.

Vajrayogini in various forms is a critical Anuyoga practice in many, many, cycles of teachings, beginning with the Khandro Nyinthig, which set the pattern for the rest.

I've practiced her in other forms, like Throma Nagmo, but haven't encountered her yet in the same 'Kagyu style' red form, dancing on one leg. But she will be there again then, once I dive more deeply into the Nyingthig's? That, somehow, is reassuring

This form is found in Khandro Nyinthig.

How about relationship with Tara?

sangyey wrote:How about relationship with Tara?

Tsogyal is considered an emanation of Tara as well. This is why for example in the Togyal cycle in Longchen Nyinthig there is a special section for combining mantras of tara with Dechen Gyalmo pratice.

You'll find Varahi in the Bumzang, which is included in the Rinchen Terdzo.

Who is Varahi?

Vajravarahi, a form of Vajrayogini: http://rywiki.tsadra.org/index.php/Vajravarahi" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Is Vajrayogini understood differently in Nyingma? I also heard that she has a form giving birth (to spiritual attainments)?

The so-called "Kagyu form"--left leg down, right leg drawn up, right arm brandishing Driguk, left holding kapala at heart--is iconographically the same as Indrabuhuti's Vajrayogini. The Karma Kagyu Yogini/Varahi practices revolve around this iconographical form. Vajravarahi is the inner form of Tsogyal, while Troma is the innermost form...

My point was that you will find the iconographically same form in the Nyingma terma traditions, most notably in the Bumzang, which was an earlier collection of Terma liturgy, and which was a major inspiration for the Rinchen Terdzo--modern editions of Rinchen Terdzo contain quite a few Bumzang empowerments and practices.

conebeckham wrote:The so-called "Kagyu form"--left leg down, right leg drawn up, right arm brandishing Driguk, left holding kapala at heart--is iconographically the same as Indrabuhuti's Vajrayogini. The Karma Kagyu Yogini/Varahi practices revolve around this iconographical form. Vajravarahi is the inner form of Tsogyal, while Troma is the innermost form...

My point was that you will find the iconographically same form in the Nyingma terma traditions, most notably in the Bumzang, which was an earlier collection of Terma liturgy, and which was a major inspiration for the Rinchen Terdzo--modern editions of Rinchen Terdzo contain quite a few Bumzang empowerments and practices.

In Nyingma she's also in Tulku Migyur Dorje's Nam Cho. In the guru yoga section of the ngundro you visualize yourself as Vajrayogini with Padmasambhava above your head.