Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

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Postby miranda » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:15 pm

Of course yes there is animal fat in the 3 white, but the fat used in sur is another one, which is not from milked products, and not ok for the riwo sang chö.

There is another point which is not clear for me: The musk is present in regular high grade tibetan incense. And some riwo sang chÖ texts ( at least the Dudjom version of Lhatsun Namkha Jigme's) include nagas among the guests. Meanwhile I never was told not to use those incense sticks in the sang....

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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

Postby miranda » Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:08 am

In the end of the dogpa part, before dedication, there is a line : Za' Lu Gyäl Po Sog Ug Dü Pa DOg. Yet they are not clearly mentioned as the guests. May be my mistake?

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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

Postby Adamantine » Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:43 pm

yeah I don't think one needs to be concerned about naga's preferences in Riwo Sang Cho, but since there may be many vegetarian guests it is best not to use animal products that are derived from killing. Dairy is OK of course, 3 sweets and 3 whites are considered important offerings in Riwo Sang Cho also.

In regards to Sur, --there are two types of Sur: Red and White. The Red sur uses meat. The White sur is vegetarian, = 3 sweets and 3 whites. I don't know if Sechen is making Sur incense for the Red Sur but I think that would be odd. ..Red sur is for more volatile spirits and so it requires more caution, more specialized or competent practitioners. Generally, most Sur incense would just include small amounts of the 3 sweets and 3 whites, at least I imagine so or it would say otherwise... you wouldn't offer vegetarian Sur to meat eating spirits and you wouldn't offer meat to vegetarian spirits, etc.

Regarding musk-- I have seen it is in many incense blends.. but since I think it is awful how it is harvested I would prefer to avoid it. Anyway, it is easy to put together one's own sang powder mixes.
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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

Postby miranda » Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:12 pm

As for the sur question. I brought some sur encense (not specified white or red...but probably the white one) from Shechen, and as I saw they have the 3 white and 3 sweet, I was planning to use in my sang, but after asking Lama Tenzin Samphel, from Dudjom ligneage, He forbid me to do so, telling me there is inside some fat extrates from the dead body of animal. So that is all I can say on that topic. He told me I shouls use only for sur offering, and also I can use a little , with other regular ans specific for the gardiens serkyem offering.

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Postby ngodrup » Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:40 pm

The thing to appreciate about Ri Wo Sang Chod is that it is from
Dzogchen POV, so every kind of offering is made to very kind
of being without conceptualizing -- this is good to offer, that isn't;
they like this or that.

The main question is what offends nagas.
One doesn't have to specifically include them.
You can if you want, in which case you modify.

Otherwise, whatever you burn, you visualize as whatever
beings want. Shenpa Dawa Rinpoche spoke of offering
the sang twice, morning and evening, and that you could
specifically include some meat and alcohol in the evening
sang and think of including protectors. He didn't say it
was required, but that you could.

There are other sangs one could do, if you have qualms
about doing this in the Dzogchen way.

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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

Postby Bj Lhundrup » Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:17 am

So I was hope to get some thoughts for a paper. I need five reasons why "not" to use Padma-28. Like five negatives about the Padma-28. Any thoughts?

Thanks
Ps. this is here because I could not put it in the "Tibetan Medicine" forum, sorry.

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Postby Grigoris » Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:04 am

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BTW, Lama Acharya Dawa Choddak will be transmitting and teaching about Riwo Sangchod in Boulder, Colorado in early November. Please see the Events section for a detailed announcement, specific date, time, and location.
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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

Postby Kunga » Thu Sep 19, 2013 2:13 am

The point is that the fat in dairy products doesn't cause the death of the animal, so it is vegetarian-friendly. This why human vegetarians can eat dairy products, but not - for example - cakes with fat such as suet in them, because this kind of fat is stripped from the organs of a dead animal. (Though there is a vegetarian suet these days.)

We always use milk, and lots of it, in naga pujas. :namaste:


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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

Postby ngodrup » Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:48 pm

I heard Shenphen Dawa Rinpoche state that one might do Riwo Sang Chod twice
a day. Or at least in a different way depending on the time-- morning or evening.
Specifically, the more white things in the morning and the protector type things in
the evening. So he specifically mentioned burning some meat and alcohol on
the night offering. The wording was interesting-- he said "putting a a little alcohol
on the fire will be interesting." I've also heard that very great Lamas who have
been gifted thankas and other valuables will ofter those to the fire also.


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