Yangsi Penor Rinpoche found!

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Re: Penor Rinpoche Yangsi

Postby kirtu » Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:53 am

ReasonAndRhyme wrote:
Glyn wrote:I suspect that soon there will be an announcement about the Penor Rinpoche Yangsi. I suspect that he will have a twin brother and will have been found in the Pharping area outisde Kathmandu, with some sort of recognition letter written by a very hard to see Nyingma Lama who lives nearby.


Glyn, I'm not a native speaker and maybe I'm getting this wrong, but in my understanding the word "suspect" implies that you assume there is something going wrong. Similarly, the phrase "some sort of recognition letter" sounds a bit pejorative to me.


No, his English does not support these conclusions (or suspicions). This is the standard form for guarded conversation in English. The only conclusions that can be draw is that Glyn doesn't have all the information or is a bit uncertain about the facts. This kind of speech is necessary in English, if one wishes to be careful, in order to posit facts that don't one is not 100% certain about as English has no subjunctive case.

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Re: Yangsi Penor Rinpoche found!

Postby smcj » Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:00 am

Tara wrote:Please note: Two topics on the same subject have been merged.

Johnny Dangerous wrote:off topic posts removed, topic split to here:

wtf?
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Re: Penor Rinpoche Yangsi

Postby ReasonAndRhyme » Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:23 am

kirtu wrote:No, his English does not support these conclusions (or suspicions). This is the standard form for guarded conversation in English. The only conclusions that can be draw is that Glyn doesn't have all the information or is a bit uncertain about the facts. This kind of speech is necessary in English, if one wishes to be careful, in order to posit facts that don't one is not 100% certain about as English has no subjunctive case.

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Thanks for clarification. I thought the expressions "I assume" or "I guess" had the meaning of expressing some neutral speculation about uncertain facts, whereas "I suspect" would mean - well, that you're kind of suspicious of something. I didn't know this could be used in a neutral meaning.
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Re: Yangsi Penor Rinpoche found!

Postby yegyal » Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:37 am

So a couple interestings side notes to this:
1. This is the first time ever that Chatral Rinpoche has been involved with the recognition of a tulku. Though he actually only gave the date and area of the birth, the rest was worked out by Thubten Palzang.
2. It was predetermined that they would keep Penor Rinpoche's remains intact until they found his rebirth, so the cremation last May was actually a sign that the recognition had occurred.
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Re: Yangsi Penor Rinpoche found!

Postby Karma Jinpa » Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:48 am

"The Sutras, Tantras, and Philosophical Scriptures are great in number. However life is short, and intelligence is limited, so it's hard to cover them completely. You may know a lot, but if you don't put it into practice, it's like dying of thirst on the shore of a great lake. Likewise, it happens that a common corpse is found in the bed of a great scholar." ~ Karma Chagme

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Re: Penor Rinpoche Yangsi

Postby tomamundsen » Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:34 am

ReasonAndRhyme wrote:
kirtu wrote:No, his English does not support these conclusions (or suspicions). This is the standard form for guarded conversation in English. The only conclusions that can be draw is that Glyn doesn't have all the information or is a bit uncertain about the facts. This kind of speech is necessary in English, if one wishes to be careful, in order to posit facts that don't one is not 100% certain about as English has no subjunctive case.

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Thanks for clarification. I thought the expressions "I assume" or "I guess" had the meaning of expressing some neutral speculation about uncertain facts, whereas "I suspect" would mean - well, that you're kind of suspicious of something. I didn't know this could be used in a neutral meaning.

Suspect has that connotation as an adjective, but not as a verb.
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Re: Yangsi Penor Rinpoche found!

Postby Glyn » Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:05 pm

yegyal wrote:So a couple interestings side notes to this:
1. This is the first time ever that Chatral Rinpoche has been involved with the recognition of a tulku.


That is debatable. Some would say that he has informally been involved before, although he has also been critical of the tradition.

For the record, he has also recently written a letter regarding one of a set of twins. I thought this was related to the Penor Yangsi, but it's obviously not the case.
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Re: Penor Rinpoche Yangsi

Postby ReasonAndRhyme » Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:42 pm

tomamundsen wrote:Suspect has that connotation as an adjective, but not as a verb.


Thanks!
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Re: Yangsi Penor Rinpoche found!

Postby Tsultrim T. » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:05 pm

Glyn wrote:
yegyal wrote:So a couple interestings side notes to this:
1. This is the first time ever that Chatral Rinpoche has been involved with the recognition of a tulku.


That is debatable. Some would say that he has informally been involved before, although he has also been critical of the tradition.

For the record, he has also recently written a letter regarding one of a set of twins. I thought this was related to the Penor Yangsi, but it's obviously not the case.


He was also quite involved in the Dudjom Yangsi recognition process, making it clear that the Tibetan yangsi, Dudjom Tulku Sangye Pema Zhepa, was the true tulku. Although over time it seems everyone's stance has softened on that.
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Re: Yangsi Penor Rinpoche found!

Postby Malcolm » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:12 pm

Tsultrim T. wrote:
Glyn wrote:
yegyal wrote:So a couple interestings side notes to this:
1. This is the first time ever that Chatral Rinpoche has been involved with the recognition of a tulku.


That is debatable. Some would say that he has informally been involved before, although he has also been critical of the tradition.

For the record, he has also recently written a letter regarding one of a set of twins. I thought this was related to the Penor Yangsi, but it's obviously not the case.


He was also quite involved in the Dudjom Yangsi recognition process, making it clear that the Tibetan yangsi, Dudjom Tulku Sangye Pema Zhepa, was the true tulku. Although over time it seems everyone's stance has softened on that.


Hence the flaw of partisan politics and biases in the Tulku system (Dudjom Yangsi, Karmapa, I am sure we can think of other instances).
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Re: Yangsi Penor Rinpoche found!

Postby Tsultrim T. » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:18 pm

Forgot to add I am overjoyed by Penor Rinpoche's reincarnation being found!
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Re: Yangsi Penor Rinpoche found!

Postby Simon E. » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:30 pm

Why ? Is Steven Seagal looking a bit peaky ?
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Is the tulku system too exclusive?

Postby yegyal » Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:01 pm

No Chatral Rinpoche was not formally involved with the recognition of Dudjom Yangsi. Yes, he supported the recognition and took Yangsi as a student, but if you look at the long life prayer he wrote, he says that because the important nyingma lamas recognized him he went along with it.
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Re: Yangsi Penor Rinpoche found!

Postby Punya » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:38 am

Tsultrim T. wrote:Forgot to add I am overjoyed by Penor Rinpoche's reincarnation being found!


Then I am overjoyed for you. :smile:
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Re: Yangsi Penor Rinpoche found!

Postby Karma Jinpa » Fri May 02, 2014 8:02 pm

A couple of new photos of Yangsi Penor Rinpoche have surfaced on Facebook. They're delightful, so I thought I'd share them here for those who are interested in seeing more of the precocious tulku.

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HH Penor Rinpoche Yangsi with HE Tulku Thubsang:
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Looking stylish:
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Re: Yangsi Penor Rinpoche found!

Postby Tsultrim T. » Sun May 04, 2014 10:55 pm

Nice pictures!!
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Re: Yangsi Penor Rinpoche found!

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Re: Yangsi Penor Rinpoche found!

Postby Sherab » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:40 am

plwk wrote:

I especially like 1:17 to 1:23
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Re: Penor Rinpoche Yangsi

Postby Jinzang » Fri Aug 01, 2014 1:52 am

kirtu wrote:[English has no subjunctive case.

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I know this is old, but my inner Grammar Nazi makes be post this on the subjunctive mood.
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Re: Yangsi Penor Rinpoche found!

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