Is the Nyingma tradition profoundly non-monastic?

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Re: Is the Nyingma tradition profoundly non-monastic?

Postby ngodrup » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:55 pm

@ Jkhedrup

I did not have the impression that you were engaging us in debate on the role of monasticism in the Nyingma tradition.
Rather, it seemed, you are immersed, steeped in a culture that assumes that to some extent assumes that
monasticism is normative and you are questioning that assumption. It doesn't seem to be the case with us, why is that?
Is the view that we are mainly non-monastic faulty? Is there some other way of understanding the culture of the
Nyingma community?

I think that the point of confusion is that we have two sanghas, red and white, who have parity, And that the ngakpas
hold higher vows causes has us hold them in higher esteem. But if course, like monastics some don't really live up to
their commitments-- and this should be expected because these to paths are practices not results. We also honor the
capacity of laypeople who are not clergy, but still possessed of Buddhanature, and are qualified to accomplish high realization.

I think that raising such questions produces understanding. Formal debate has more chance of inflaming know-it-all-ism,
in my opinion.

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
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Postby JKhedrup » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:31 pm

I agree. I am a huge fan of the Tsadra series. The Tsadra series and Lam Rim Chenmo tie for best quality of translated material in modern English in my opinion. If I had the money I would purchase the entire series, along with all the volumes of Kongtrul's Treasury of Knowledge, translated by what is now called the Kalu Rinpoche Translation Group.

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Postby Yudron » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:47 pm

Not only that, but Kalu Rinpoche's crew have translated much of the Padma Publishing,Jnanasukha Foundation, Vajrayana Foundation translations, as well as translating the whole Shangpa lineage tradition, and they have been involved in European translation projects as well. It just goes on and on, and the personal sacrifice of that group has been immense.
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Postby JKhedrup » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:56 pm

One of the things I really like about it as well is that it is very clearly a "team". This is really what we need with translation endeavours in the West. Both for quality control purposes and cohesion purposes. It is really a shame more endeavours are not consultative.

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Postby Yeti » Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:22 pm

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Postby Yeti » Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:08 am

"When a Dzogchen Yogi hears Shakyamuni Buddha turning the Wheel of the Dharma of the Four Noble Truths he hears Samathabhadra proclaiming the most profound Dzogpachenpo." - Nyoshul Khen Rinpoche

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Re: Is the Nyingma tradition profoundly non-monastic?

Postby Pema Rigdzin » Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:38 am

Alex,

This is all interesting, but honestly, the inner tantric/HYT samayas of all the Nyingma and Sarma systems all come down to the same point: maintaining the view of the three vajras. From that point of view, any differences in the letter of these samayas between HYT systems is merely on an outer level; the spirit of the commitments is the same. At their essence, the samayas of each of these systems are all serving the function of facilitating awareness of the 3 vajras, and all practitioners of Anuttarayoga have this commitment whether monk, nun, ngakpa/ma, naljorpa/ma. It makes no difference. This is all the more so when we get into Dzogchen and Mahamudra territory.

Also, both Nyingma and Sarma tantras have many versions of prescriptions for adornment with various examples of fearless heruka attire, etc., at a certain advanced stage on the path of the two stages, so there's nothing new under the sun except some outward variation on the same essential points of conduct.


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