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Cittas and Cetasikas: relational significance

Postby Ben » Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:23 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Cittas and Cetasikas: relational significance

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:47 am

Greetings Ben,

I may be off the mark but venerable Nyanaponika's comments seem to be warning against turning these useful Abhidhammic concepts into real binary (0 and 1) things which are either "on" or "off", "existing" or "not existing", when in fact they're dependently originating phenomena... for want of a better classification. To me he seems to be suggesting that the relationship is analogue in terms of their rising, inter-relations, and passing away rather than a digital sequence of zeroes and ones.

Somewhere there's an article of Dhamma Theory which I think may be useful - it was either Tilt or venerable Dhammanando who put us onto it originally.

I hope the explanation made some sort of sense. Feel free to disregard if not, or if it was of no use.

Metta,
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Re: Cittas and Cetasikas: relational significance

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Re: Cittas and Cetasikas: relational significance

Postby Ben » Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:41 am

Thanks Ajahn, thanks Retro

So little time, so much to learn!

Metta

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Cittas and Cetasikas: relational significance

Postby cooran » Fri Apr 03, 2009 7:54 am

Hello Ben,

One thing that helped me understand the relationship between citta and cetasika in the beginning was having the suggestion made that I consider the citta as a glass of water - and the cetasika as the "flavour" of the citta .... in the same way that cordial made with water and orange flavour is different from cordial made from the same water source, but with lemon flavour. So - feeling any emotion is simply the citta plus either a kusala (wholesome) or akusala (unwholesome) cetasika - such as lobha (greed), dosa (anger), mana (conceit), issa (jealousy), alobha (non-attachment), adosa (goodwill).

Hopefully Ajahn will comment if this is off on the wrong track.
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