Re: Eliminate all delusion regarding the basis with dream yoga?
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:39 am
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You were asking about going the whole way completely through dream yoga. Be precise.SSJ3Gogeta wrote:Sherlock wrote:You changed the title of this thread when I was typing my reply. You were asking if it were possible to complete the whole path through dream yoga alone.
I'm actually still asking the same exact thing.
I guess I have to stop using Dzogchen language on this forum.
Delusion is a mental phenomena.SSJ3Gogeta wrote:No the delusion is based on not recognizing the display of the five lights.Josef wrote: You can eliminate delusions about the nature of the base and oneself, which is based on mental concepts.
It has nothing to do with mental concepts.
Nope.SSJ3Gogeta wrote:Josef wrote: Delusion is a mental phenomena.
It may be "based" on failure to recognize the five lights etc. but one doesnt just manifest rainbow body by eliminating the mental phenomena of delusion.
If so, there would be no point in statements 2 and 3 of Garab Dorje.
Dude you are the only one talking about mental phenomena.
It is impossible for anyone to practice ONLY dream yoga unless you are sleeping 24/7. Your question was imprecise, that is all that I am saying, please stop the condescending attitude.SSJ3Gogeta wrote:Sherlock wrote:
You were asking about going the whole way completely through dream yoga. Be precise.
Yes and I am saying eliminating ALL delusion regarding the BASIS
I am saying the same freaking thing.
That's fine but I don't see Malcolm equating removal of delusion with rainbow body in that post.SSJ3Gogeta wrote:I'm using the same language as Malcolm here:Josef wrote: You keep asking about delusion so I am answering based upon the language used in the question.
You might want to find different language to get your point more clearly stated.
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Get educated my fellow Dzogchenpa brother.
I am starting to seriously doubt that.SSJ3Gogeta wrote:whatever. I know what I am talking about.Josef wrote: You can eliminate delusions about the nature of the base and oneself, which is based on mental concepts.
I dont see anything about rainbow body in that post.SSJ3Gogeta wrote:"Sentient beings are deluded about the display of the basis. When they cease to be so deluded, they are buddhas. "Josef wrote: That's fine but I don't see Malcolm equating removal of delusion with rainbow body in that post.
But feel free to believe whatever you want to believe.
More assumptions.SSJ3Gogeta wrote:
If you don't understand what the five lights are, mentioned several times in that post, I can't help you bro.
You can say that but it is clear that there are subtleties that are being ignored.SSJ3Gogeta wrote:Josef wrote:More assumptions.SSJ3Gogeta wrote:
If you don't understand what the five lights are, mentioned several times in that post, I can't help you bro.
its obvious.
This is just a pointless conversation. You don't understand the basis (gzhi) of Dzogchen upadesha. Its as simple as that.Josef wrote: You can say that but it is clear that there are subtleties that are being ignored.