Beginners ~ how to begin?

Moderator: Tibetan Buddhism moderators

Beginners ~ how to begin?

Postby Wesley1982 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:12 pm

Beginners/Novice ~ how to begin the dzogchen practices and meditations?..wondering, thanks :namaste:
User avatar
Wesley1982
 
Posts: 739
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:45 pm
Location: Magga ~ Path to Liberation.

Re: Beginners ~ how to begin?

Postby byamspa » Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:19 pm

One: Get a Teacher
Two: Do what they say
Phenomenon, vast as space, dharmata is your base, arising and falling like ocean tide cycles, why do i cling to your illusion of unceasing changlessness?
User avatar
byamspa
 
Posts: 152
Joined: Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:13 pm
Location: Waponi Woo

Re: Beginners ~ how to begin?

Postby Norwegian » Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:21 pm

To do Dzogchen practice means you already have a qualified Dzogchen teacher.

So, if you have that, then you practice according to his or her instructions/teachings.

If you don't have that however, then you should seek out such a teacher.
Norwegian
 
Posts: 331
Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:36 pm

Re: Beginners ~ how to begin?

Postby Wesley1982 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:17 pm

Ok
User avatar
Wesley1982
 
Posts: 739
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:45 pm
Location: Magga ~ Path to Liberation.

Re: Beginners ~ how to begin?

Postby username » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:42 am

Image

"You can also take the approach that every yidam and every buddha is
identical in the expanse of original wakefulness. Then you can keep the
bond to all of them very simply, for example, by chanting the three syllables
for the body, speech and mind of all the buddhas, OM, AH, HUNG.
OM is the essence of Vairochana, the Manifester of Forms, the
enlightened body of all the buddhas. AH is the essence of Amitabha,
Boundless Light, which is the speech of all buddhas. HUNG is the essence
of Akshobhya, the Unshakable, which is the nature of mind free
of conceptual thinking. The HUNG syllable is the essence of the mind of
all buddhas. Actually it would be perfectly fine to chant OM, AH, HUNG
... OM, AH, HUNG while recognizing mind essence. You are then keeping
the samaya with every possible aspect of the yidams and buddhas,
because all of them are included within enlightened body, speech and
mind.

Now think of all the teachings given by the buddhas. In this world,
the Tripitaka, the Kangyur and Tengyur- the Words of the Buddha
and the treatises that are the commentaries upon them - fill hundreds
and hundreds of volumes in incredible detail. Then there are all the
tantras. However, the very essence of all these teachings is development
and completion stage. When seeking to perfect comprehension you can
go into great detail, but when it comes to applying this comprehension
to your experience, you should condense everything and simplify it. In
other words, these three syllables, OM, AH, HUNG, contain the body,
speech and mind of all buddhas, all teachings and all samadhis.
Similarly, the body, speech and mind of the victorious ones are
contained in a single instant of recognizing mind essence.

OM the essence of Vairochana, which means 'manifest in form.' The form
of the deity is something visible, something manifest in form. For example,
in the bardo state we meet the sounds, colors and lights, the major and
minor spheres of light, the peaceful and wrathful deities, and so forth.
Everything we meet here is something perceptible, which is manifest in
form, and that is the body aspect of all buddhas. Next is AH for speech.
Speech is Amitabha, boundless light, which is all the unending infinite
teachings all contained within one syllable. The HUNG for mind is
Akshobhya, which means unperturbed or unshakable - the state of
nondual awareness, free of any conceptual thinking whatsoever. In this
way, the three syllables OM, AH, HUNG embody or include the body,
speech and mind of any buddha form in any way whatsoever. You can
go into all of this in great detail when trying to comprehend, but when
applying it in your own experience, condense everything into the essential.
"
-Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche, As It Is: Vol. 1, p.125

Image
http://www.amazon.com/Carefree-Dignity- ... 9627341320

http://www.tsoknyirinpoche.org/teaching ... nd-nature/

Image
http://www.amazon.com/As-It-Is-Vol/dp/9627341355/
http://www.amazon.com/As-It-Is-Vol-2/dp/9627341398/

http://www.abuddhistlibrary.com/Buddhis ... rs.htm#861

Image
http://www.amazon.com/Dzogchen-Teaching ... 559392436/

http://www.melong.com/teachings/49-the- ... vajra.html

ImageImageImage
Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes
username
 
Posts: 759
Joined: Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:23 pm

Re: Beginners ~ how to begin?

Postby oldbob » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:29 am

Username nails how to begin.

Also - the middle, and end and beyond.

Also - beyond any conception of beginning, middle, end or beyond.

There are many Dzogchen Teachers.

See Dzogchen resources:

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=8917

Hope this helps!
oldbob
 
Posts: 518
Joined: Sun May 06, 2012 8:19 am

Re: Beginners ~ how to begin?

Postby Sönam » Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:59 am

Wesley1982 wrote:Beginners/Novice ~ how to begin the dzogchen practices and meditations?..wondering, thanks :namaste:


One may also considere that he has already begun ... what's next? what did tell me the master?

Sönam
By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -
User avatar
Sönam
 
Posts: 1958
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:11 pm
Location: France

Re: Beginners ~ how to begin?

Postby oldbob » Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:43 pm

Sönam wrote:
Wesley1982 wrote:Beginners/Novice ~ how to begin the dzogchen practices and meditations?..wondering, thanks :namaste:


One may also considere that he has already begun ... what's next? what did tell me the master?

Sönam


See: viewtopic.php?f=48&t=4052&p=122919#p122919

:smile:
oldbob
 
Posts: 518
Joined: Sun May 06, 2012 8:19 am

Re: Beginners ~ how to begin?

Postby Wesley1982 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:53 pm

It shouldn't be that hard to find a dzogchen master to interact with.
User avatar
Wesley1982
 
Posts: 739
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:45 pm
Location: Magga ~ Path to Liberation.

Re: Beginners ~ how to begin?

Postby Karma Dondrup Tashi » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:56 pm

Wonderful gift of a post by username and what a beautiful image.
Karma Dondrup Tashi
 
Posts: 1014
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:13 pm

Re: Beginners ~ how to begin?

Postby Wesley1982 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:12 pm

ok,

What is dzogchen master's goal for beginner to first realize in practice?..
User avatar
Wesley1982
 
Posts: 739
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:45 pm
Location: Magga ~ Path to Liberation.

Re: Beginners ~ how to begin?

Postby RikudouSennin » Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:01 pm

:good: @ username
“You have some good connection with the Dzogchen Teaching - you have arrived to the Dzogchen Teaching, you have met a Dzogchen Master; you must understand that it means you are very fortunate.” ChNNR
User avatar
RikudouSennin
 
Posts: 203
Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:19 am

Re: Beginners ~ how to begin?

Postby Karma Dondrup Tashi » Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:04 pm

Wesley1982 wrote:ok,

What is dzogchen master's goal for beginner to first realize in practice?..


Direct introduction.

A direct introduction into the nature of mind is the first imperative.
Absolute conviction in the practice is the second imperative.
Implicit confidence in release is the third imperative.


Garab Dorje trans. Dowman
Karma Dondrup Tashi
 
Posts: 1014
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:13 pm

Re: Beginners ~ how to begin?

Postby Wesley1982 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:24 pm

Direct introduction to realizing your mindset + natural state of mind?... :smile:
User avatar
Wesley1982
 
Posts: 739
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:45 pm
Location: Magga ~ Path to Liberation.

Re: Beginners ~ how to begin?

Postby Karma Dondrup Tashi » Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:40 pm

The first manifestation of the tawa, which marks the entrance to the Path, is the direct introduction referred to in the first of the three phrases bequeathed by Garab Dorje (the primordial Master or tönpa who introduced Buddhist Dzogchen into our world) as his spiritual testament: an initial, sudden unveiling of our original, uncompounded, unborn condition of total completeness, plenitude and perfection - i.e., of Dzogchen - in the state of rigpa (Awake Awareness, Presence or Truth). We have seen that, when the essential delusion called avidya is actively producing samsara, the delusory valuation/absolutization of thoughts ... and other mental functions cause the nondual gnosis that is the Base ... to be hidden from the narrowly focused consciousness that becomes associated with a spurious mental subject. Direct introduction is nothing but the temporary spontaneous liberation or dissolution of delusion, which occurs upon the nondual, nonconceptual self-reGnition of the Awake ... self-awareness that the Dzogchen teachings call rigpa, making patent this nondual awareness' own face ... [T]he name "spontaneous liberation" is due to the fact that this takes place spontaneously rather than being the result of an action, and therefore it does not produce a state that, being produced, would be conditioned; contrariwise, it is the dissolution of the conditioned experiences that in samsara veiled our unconditioned, uncompounded, unborn primordial nature. Thereafter one will have to apply again and again the methods that will allow the spontaneous manifestation of the tawa or Vision, until the point at which subsequent manifestation of delusion no longer causes doubts to arise in us regarding the fact that the true nature of reality is the single, undivided, nonconceptual condition that became unveiled in the state of tawa or Vision - which is what is referred to by the second of the three phrases of the testament of primordial Master Garab Dorje: Not to remain in doubt.

Capriles
Karma Dondrup Tashi
 
Posts: 1014
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:13 pm

Re: Beginners ~ how to begin?

Postby Wesley1982 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:20 pm

Is there a photograph of Garab Dorje is he too old for a photograph?..(before photography was invented)..
User avatar
Wesley1982
 
Posts: 739
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:45 pm
Location: Magga ~ Path to Liberation.

Re: Beginners ~ how to begin?

Postby Karma Dondrup Tashi » Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:26 pm

Ah I see.

Um, yes, un fortunately he was born before the invention of photography.

Nice thought though.

Pleased to meet you Wesley1982.
Karma Dondrup Tashi
 
Posts: 1014
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:13 pm

Re: Beginners ~ how to begin?

Postby tomamundsen » Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:58 pm

Wesley1982 wrote:Is there a photograph of Garab Dorje is he too old for a photograph?..(before photography was invented)..

Garab Dorje was around 2000 years ago.
User avatar
tomamundsen
 
Posts: 539
Joined: Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:50 am
Location: San Diego, CA

Re: Beginners ~ how to begin?

Postby Wesley1982 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:34 pm

I can foresee 5 years of Dzogchen study & practice down the road.
User avatar
Wesley1982
 
Posts: 739
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:45 pm
Location: Magga ~ Path to Liberation.

Re: Beginners ~ how to begin?

Postby oldbob » Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:02 am

Wesley1982 wrote:Is there a photograph of Garab Dorje is he too old for a photograph?..(before photography was invented)..


http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... =3&theater

Not a photo but a usable image for practice.
oldbob
 
Posts: 518
Joined: Sun May 06, 2012 8:19 am

Next

Return to Dzogchen

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Josef, palchi, Sherab Dorje, WASW and 26 guests

>