Capacity for following Dzogchen

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Re: Capacity for following Dzogchen

Postby Andrew108 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:15 pm

No offence taken. You make a good point. I think you are right. Thanks.
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"What is the All? Simply the eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose & aromas, tongue & flavors, body & tactile sensations, intellect & ideas. This, monks, is called the All. Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain, and furthermore, would be put to grief. Why? Because it lies beyond range." Sabba Sutta.

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Re: Capacity for following Dzogchen

Postby heart » Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:36 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Capacity for following Dzogchen

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Re: Capacity for following Dzogchen

Postby MalaBeads » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:34 pm

I appreciate many of the recent posts here. And while I agree that many lamas would not appreciate what is being done here, that lack of appreciation is a cultural thing, I think. We do things differently in the west. That's just how it is. After a while, you begin to fine tune your sensibilities about what is useful and what is not.

I think there is some practice wisdom that's being shared. As far as "trusting" someone else's experience, I would add a note of caution. Not because it is an Internet forum but simply because It's someone else's experience.

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Re: Capacity for following Dzogchen

Postby heart » Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:38 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Capacity for following Dzogchen

Postby MalaBeads » Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:41 am

I am well aware of my idiocy. I am also very aware that you too are an idiot. Therein lies our mutuality.

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Re: Capacity for following Dzogchen

Postby Yudron » Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:52 am

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Re: Capacity for following Dzogchen

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Re: Capacity for following Dzogchen

Postby Yudron » Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:43 am

Sounds like you are a scholar. I am most certainly not. My experience is that when I start to get ideas that I think I know better than my wisdom lama my practice goes right in the toilet.
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Re: Capacity for following Dzogchen

Postby wisdomfire » Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:03 pm

Regarding talking about one's own meditative experiences and instructions received from teachers, i have heard from masters that this will degenerate one's own experiences and insights and deplete the blessings of the lineage to you.

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Re: Capacity for following Dzogchen

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Re: Capacity for following Dzogchen

Postby wisdomfire » Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:09 am

Don't get lost in the 'definitive meaning'.
In the ultimate truth, there is no idea of whether there is or is not a Buddha. Clinging to a concept of there not being a Buddha is just another form of concept.
You are still living in this world, and you still have to eat to survive right? It means you are still affected by relative conditions. So transmission still matters. Don't act like it don't and mislead others.

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Re: Capacity for following Dzogchen

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Re: Capacity for following Dzogchen

Postby oldbob » Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:05 am

:soapbox: :soapbox: :soapbox:

Oh Gosh - In the spirit of going completely beyond ANY question as to who has ANY capacity for following, or not following, Dzogchen (or anything else) ---

Note: Serious Dharma practitioners, please leave this post here. This is for irrelevant (irreverent) bozos only.

You (your ego) cannot get there (enlightenment) from here (reading posts on Dharma Wheel.) :smile:

Now if you really want to understand what cannot in any way be understood --- :roll:, please answer this:

How can you be in two places at once if you are not anywhere at all?




Yes! It is like that.

If you can rest in this vast expanse where all questions dissolve as they arise - just observe this luminous clarity, turn off your computer and take a rest.

If answering this question does not put to rest all questions - then --- see below.

Others have looked at these questions before us and come up with creative solutions. We are not alone.



Please stop the Firesign Theater video if it is too much, and try: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMhQ_aXB ... tedhttp://

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UCQShAm5vo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtXGKqWz8nU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCzgdF_WjOg

If you can play all three at once and maintain your presence and awareness, then you get three prostrations and the bardo busters merit badge!

I guess the point is - that with instant presence and awareness, M-A-Y-B-E it does not matter what bardo you find yourself in, even DW posts. :smile:

Who was that masked man? I-dun-o, but he carried a silver phurba. :smile:

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Re: Capacity for following Dzogchen

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Re: Capacity for following Dzogchen

Postby muni » Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:34 am

"How can you be in two places at once if you are not anywhere at all"?




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Placeless post. :bow:

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Re: Capacity for following Dzogchen

Postby oushi » Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:48 am

Everyone is fully capable of following Dzogchen. Frankly speaking, nobody is able to not follow it - that would be horrible if he could (Duality Hazard!). Somehow people are not willing to accept it, and that's where the real capacity is measured.

Great topic, I was to lazy to read in all, but I will certainly follow.
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Re: Capacity for following Dzogchen

Postby futerko » Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:54 am

"How can you be in two places at once if you are not anywhere at all"?

satnav? :tongue:


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