heart wrote:Andrew108 wrote:The teacher retinue relationship is different in Dzogchen. It's not as it is in traditional forms of Buddhism and yet an artifice of this traditional form remains in the DC.
This is no criticism but it is important to notice. Dzogchen is never aspirational. After the DI there is nothing left to do but study the original Dzogchen tantras. And yet there are all manner of 'Dzogchen' related activities to engage in when one gets involved with the DC. Is it necessary to point out that this is no different to any other respected buddhist organization?
But Dzogchen is different and one of the differences is the teacher/retinue dynamic.
I am afraid that you might have misunderstood the dynamic of Dzogchen practice a little. Recognizing the natural state doesn't imply any capacity at all to be able rest in the natural state at length and without a Guru and a Sangha you might never develop any capacity at all. What you are talking about is realization. It is certainly very uncommon, but certainly not impossible, that recognition and realization comes at the same time. If that always was the case there would only be one statement from Garab Dorje, right? If you feel you have realization you should approach your Guru and tell him that, it can be a very sobering experience.
There are three sources of inspiration. The teacher, the Dzogchen tantras, the experience. All three are expressions of pure presence. One continues with the consequences of that pure presence. There is no realization to get or check. If there was then presence wouldn't be pure and there would't be a consequence.