dzoki wrote: Konchog1 wrote:
And where do you get this from? There is a phowa in gcod practice. I don´t know that by practicing gcod I would go to hell. Also people train in phowa and I don´t think they would go to hell for doing that.
Page 210 in Glenn Mullin's translation of Lord Tsongkhapa's Book of Three Inspirations
To transfer the consciousness out of the body prematurely is equivalent to suicide [...] if one holds the mantra precepts, then suicide is prohibited by the eighth root precept. One should know that to transgress it will result in rebirth in the hells
Furthermore, suicide is murder, the result of murder is hell, so one would go to hell with or without the precepts.
Sure, this is however exclusively gelug point of view.
No, it is taught in Sakya and Nyingma for sure as well.
I remember reading in Tsongkhapa´s Golden Key, that performing phowa entails killing the deities that reside in ones chakras and so is considered a very negative deed. But how can a deity be killed?
Performing phowa prematurely is like
killing the deities because you're mind is the deities and you are prematurely ending your life intentionally.
There are several well known cases when yogis did phowa permaturely and I am sure they did not go to hell (Shechen Kongtrul is one example).
That is certainly problematic. I had also read of a Tibetan Arhat who had committed suicide by jumping off a building because the Chinese were about to kill him. I don't remember the source of this text though. I was startled to see a reference to a Tibetan Arhat actually. But the suicide was undetaken to keep the Chinese soldiers from reaping terrible negative karma. Perhaps it was the same motivation for Shechen Kongtrul and others?