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Re: Nakedness

Postby shel » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:06 pm

Blue Garuda wrote:If we hold up a mirror to our minds it is seldom a pretty sight.


Speak for yourself. I'm gorgeous. :emb:
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Re: Nakedness

Postby Virgo » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:07 pm

pemachophel wrote:A little off topic, but Jetsun Shuksep, Chonyid Wangmo, was ordered to walk around the Bar-khor in Lhasa completely naked which she did.

That's not cool.

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Re: Nakedness

Postby Sönam » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:43 pm

Malcolm wrote:The easiest thing in the world to do is walk naked, and the hardest. We have to take off the clothes we put on in which to admire ourselves. If we don't, then we never see the truth of ourselves. We are naked to others even if we think we are clothed.


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Re: Nakedness

Postby MalaBeads » Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:27 pm

Hmmmm

this is liberation upon arising

what a relief
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Re: Nakedness

Postby alpha » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:43 pm

We are always seeing our mind,always.......always...
Always bare.
This is extraordinary.
How can it be otherwise ?
But we dont see this.
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Re: Nakedness

Postby Caz » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:23 pm

asunthatneversets wrote:Image


Gee that must have been a hot day. :lol:
Abandoning Dharma is, in the final analysis, disparaging the Hinayana because of the Mahayana; favoring the Hinayana on account of the Mahayana; playing off sutra against tantra; playing off the four classes of the tantras against each other; favoring one of the Tibetan schools—the Sakya, Gelug, Kagyu, or Nyingma—and disparaging the rest; and so on. In other words, we abandon Dharma any time we favor our own tenets and disparage the rest.

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Re: Nakedness

Postby asunthatneversets » Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:00 am

This thread is officially NSFW. :spy:
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Re: Nakedness

Postby Kunga Lhadzom » Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:48 am

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Re: Nakedness

Postby Adamantine » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:43 am

Tara, you mine as well remove my whole post
since all context is now lost!
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Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha
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Re: Nakedness

Postby Kunga Lhadzom » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:58 am

Adamantine wrote:Tara, you mine as well remove my whole post
since all context is now lost!
Now it's naked....the naked mind :jumping:
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Re: Nakedness

Postby rai » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:51 am

Nyoshul Khen Rinpoche's experience at a beach :smile:

Disdaining the lower and unable to grasp the higher,
talking of emptiness, such a person will neglect cause and effect,
mouthing on about the view while in a state of self-deception.
It would be better to concentrate on the gradual path.

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Re: Nakedness

Postby oldbob » Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:08 pm

Adamantine wrote:well, for all this talk of nakedness... :smile:



After a time, your tense, dualistic attitudes will evaporate and you will get to the point where gold and pebbles, food and filth, gods and demons, virtue and nonvirtue, are all the same for you-you’ll be at a loss to choose between paradise and hell! But until you reach that point (while you are still caught in the experiences of dualistic perception), virtue and nonvirtue, buddhafields and hells, happiness and pain, actions and their results – all this is reality for you. As the Great Guru has said, "My view is higher than the sky, but my attention to actions and their results is finer than flour."

So don’t go around claiming to be some great Dzogchen meditator when in fact you are nothing but a farting lout, stinking of alcohol and rank with lust!
~Dudjom Rinpoche excerpted from http://www.keithdowman.net/dzogchen/dudjom_counsel.htm


Yup!

Shit Yoda happy in.
Dhammas empty all.
Nothing take with can.
Best do must all we.

Who phone booth fit everyone can.

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Re: Nakedness

Postby Ogyen » Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:51 am

Malcolm wrote:The easiest thing in the world to do is walk naked, and the hardest. We have to take off the clothes we put on in which to admire ourselves. If we don't, then we never see the truth of ourselves. We are naked to others even if we think we are clothed.


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Ogyen wrote:I might have to change all my materials to warn for X-rated content... :thinking:

I could make some jokes, but I don't want to make light of Malcolm's point. It is important. :namaste:

P.S. And I could see this thread just degrading into jokes about being naked (which it probably will anyway).

Kevin


My reply was no joke... I was thinking, perhaps if my work were seen for what it is, I should blush, come to my senses and put some content warning on it... :jawdrop: But the truth is that I'm protected by others' blindness, and that is one of my habits/weaknesses in how I hide my own vulnerabiliy - in plain sight in the notions people project that I don't bother correcting. It's a form of cowardice that I might not be liked for who I really feel I am. Another set of half-superstitions. I think everyone does it to some extent, I am ordinary in this way. I learned a long time ago about my own fears of vulnerability in being intimate with other human beings. I look in that mirror all the time, a seasoned there-goer like many other seekers, diving into all of my notions... it's always interesting to discover how much weight I put on around this or that inflation of Self, and go on an ego diet to lose a few pounds...

We are 'naked' all the time, with this I agree, Malcolm. But only in the same way that reality is a big buzz of everything happening simultaneously. Can we recognize why it's so easy and so hard to walk naked among others? Minds are like swirling waters, no clarity to see all the way to the bottom. Churning on imagination and reactions, notions and yes, cultural ideas of preference and propriety. Ghosts and shadows, imagined barriers and lines created by our half-superstitions that we take for granted as truths. At least till prodded for "real", solid, veracity... then the notions are found to be formations, nothing more. Now and again, there is a stillness which allows for a few moments' clarity. Such precious instants, being truly naked. That we are naked means little in and of itself, because then are we clear enough to recognize this nakedness for what it is. For most people this occurs here and there, or with 'special' people in their lives. For enlightened masters, being naked seems to be an ordinary experience. How wonderful!!

There is however, a fear of nakedness (vulnerability) in most people. Hurting feels dangerous and let's face it, sucks. Opening up to being vulnerable that is terrifying on SOME level to most people I've known. Unless vulnerability can be seen for what it is. The most fearless of being naked are children (take notes adults) because they know they know so little, they are just open to being in a present state - #whatshame? They are so small, their world is tremendously huge. It's brilliant to observe... and we all lose that around puberty(?) where we grow so big and our worlds shrink, as we ball up into a kind of self-consciousness of this constructed identity... Also, not to overlook, in most of the world, people around this time are conditioned into group socialization processes and taught to have some "feelings" around their nakedness, whether fear, shame, pride, guilt, etc.

So there we are as adults in the muddied waters of clothing, mental and physical... and yet, like Malcolm points out, it is also the most natural thing in the world. We all can stand there naked for with ourselves when we think no one is looking... Poking at our mental and physical flaws with self-loathing, the zits of our self-consciousness, all the things we wish we didn't have. And then we feel the need to hide this from others, because they will not uphold our desirable image of self that we want to embody.

While it's true that some people would not recognize their butthole from a hole in the ground, I would note that glorious nakedness is not for their eyes anyway, any more than a Van Gogh is for a pig's appreciation. Many people, however, will respond when they look upon a beautiful mind/body that is fearlessly naked by being inspired to live or strive for the same state of open strength, however they interpret that to be, each path is different.

Why did you become a Buddhist if not because you responded to the Buddha's fearless naked quality of mind. The body follows the mind. I'm not saying we'll all run around naked in the office, practicality still rules the conventional world. I'm saying that perhaps it's most important to know WHY it's a lot harder to be mentally/physically "undressed" with our egos/bodies exposed all nude-like open to our own self-loathing and rejections. Most, and some who have posted here to, 'believe' people can't SEE us, there is a Self-created cocoon in which we habitually push away that which is uncomfortable (aversion) and drawing to us that which is desirable (craving). Just habitual stuff, breaking it up is the good stuff. But people are smart, they see in bits and pieces, things we don't even want to acknowledge within ourselves.

I would love to see a dharma wheel, for one, where people are more naked in their experience of dharma and less dressed up in the accoutrements and 'shoulds/supposed-tos' of the -isms they think are the dharma... I am no expert of dharma, but I have a theory that when in doubt, return to the state of a child's mind, the straight up stillness of now that is moving in a constant hum of vibration... I know I know, this is a forum, but come on, tell me about how being naked scares or elates you, not about what it means to this or that theory or teacher. Those are great, but they don't tell me anything about YOUR practice. If you're gonna go there, GO there.. be naked already. Why else are you posting otherwise? To tell others what the dharma SHOULD be? I don't even know what it should be, what IS IT to you? What does being naked mean to you? :stirthepot:

Maybe I'm just a dharma practice-voyeur ... :rolling: I want to know how the dharma is personal to YOU, not the clothes you wear to BE a buddhist. I go for the good stuff, love. It's the recognition of the other that lets you be present with the other.

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Re: Nakedness

Postby Malcolm » Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:02 am

Ogyen wrote:
My reply was no joke... I was thinking, perhaps if my work were seen for what it is, I should blush, come to my senses and put some content warning on it... :jawdrop: ...


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Re: Nakedness

Postby oldbob » Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:23 pm

Dear all and All,

:heart: Does it really matter how many Bonpos or Buddhists danced on the head of the Dzogchen pin or when? For me, the only thing that matters is to find myself in integration with what arises, or doesn't arise, in my continuum, 24/7. If something furthers this, I take it up as practice. If something doesn't further this, I respectfully let it go as irrelevant to what matters.

Getting old means facing that I won't be here forever and time is short.

Even if you are young you might want to consider, that relative to eternity, 100 years is the blink of an eye, and that soon you will be old too: sickness and death follow.

What will you tell Yama when he sends down his hook for you: that you had permission to teach Dzogchen, or that you taught Dzogchen, or that you are a Tulku, or that you translated the Dzogchen Tantras, or that you had a thousand lovers, or that you wrote beautiful poems, or that you danced a beautiful dance? :woohoo: :smile:

I don't think he will listen.

Instant presence is the singular point of the Dzogchen pin: on that point everything dances.

On that point, naked, without any place to dance, or possessing any characteristic whatsoever, Yama dances too.

:smile:

May this be of benefit to someone!

Long life to the Dzogchen Masters, in good health, and with success in all things!
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Re: Nakedness

Postby heart » Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:05 pm

oldbob wrote:What will you tell Yama when he sends down his hook for you: that you had permission to teach Dzogchen, or that you taught Dzogchen, or that you are a Tulku, or that you translated the Dzogchen Tantras, or that you had a thousand lovers, or that you wrote beautiful poems, or that you danced a beautiful dance? :woohoo: :smile:


:smile:

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Re: Nakedness

Postby Dronma » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:01 pm

oldbob wrote:Dear all and All,

:heart: Does it really matter how many Bonpos or Buddhists danced on the head of the Dzogchen pin or when? For me, the only thing that matters is to find myself in integration with what arises, or doesn't arise, in my continuum, 24/7. If something furthers this, I take it up as practice. If something doesn't further this, I respectfully let it go as irrelevant to what matters.

Getting old means facing that I won't be here forever and time is short.

Even if you are young you might want to consider, that relative to eternity, 100 years is the blink of an eye, and that soon you will be old too: sickness and death follow.

What will you tell Yama when he sends down his hook for you: that you had permission to teach Dzogchen, or that you taught Dzogchen, or that you are a Tulku, or that you translated the Dzogchen Tantras, or that you had a thousand lovers, or that you wrote beautiful poems, or that you danced a beautiful dance? :woohoo: :smile:

I don't think he will listen.

Instant presence is the singular point of the Dzogchen pin: on that point everything dances.

On that point, naked, without any place to dance, or possessing any characteristic whatsoever, Yama dances too.


:smile:

May this be of benefit to someone!

Long life to the Dzogchen Masters, in good health, and with success in all things!



Thank you, oldbob!
This is the rhythm that moves me deeply.... :namaste:
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Re: Nakedness

Postby MalaBeads » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:24 pm

Another wonderful post, Ob

I keep remembering something you said earlier and it is true for me as well: may Ekajati always rest her sharp tooth upon my heart.

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Re: Nakedness

Postby Huifeng » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:16 am

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Re: Nakedness

Postby Simon E. » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:42 am

It appears that there are those who will not accept your nakedness Malcolm. They insist on tiptoeing over with a figleaf to hand. It is amusing to see that they dont stick.

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