Do Theravadins have anything similar to Dzogchen?

[Anders]

Anyone read this? I haven't read this personally, but there's a book called
"Small Boat, Great Mountain: Theravādan Reflections On The Natural Great Perfection"
by Amaro Bhikkhu.

It's a lovely book. Well worth a read for anyone interested in a Theravada take on Dzogchen.

[Astus]

An open-minded Theravadin studying descriptions of trekcho would probably equate it with the opening of the Dhamma Eye experienced by stream-entrants. At least those whose depictions of Nirvana are similar such as much of the thai forest tradition and such.

That's what I was talking about when connecting self-liberation with the rise and fall of dhamma. I guess I did it poorly.

[DarwidHalim]

Do Theravadins have anything similar to Dzogchen?

Ajahn Chah in his book No Ajahn Chah said this:
"I'm always talking about things to develop and things to give up, but, really, there's nothing to develop and nothing to give up."

That is Dzogchen view.

[xabir]

Anyone read this? I haven't read this personally, but there's a book called
"Small Boat, Great Mountain: Theravādan Reflections On The Natural Great Perfection"
by Amaro Bhikkhu.

The part explaining Bahiya Sutta is good, it is in my blog too. Though some of the later expressions may be somewhat dualistic.

[kalden yungdrung]

Do Theravadins have anything similar to Dzogchen?

Ajahn Chah in his book No Ajahn Chah said this:
"I'm always talking about things to develop and things to give up, but, really, there's nothing to develop and nothing to give up."

That is Dzogchen view.

Tashi delek.

To give up is Ma rigpa and to develop is the correct vision about one's Natural State.
If the Natural State is realised and all day long experienced, then there is nothing anymore to develop and nothing to give up. Last mentioned efforts are mostly undertaken for cleaning ones mind, which in turn does contribute to a better "knowledge" about the different states of Rigpa. Or Ma rigpa is turning slowly into Rigpa.

For many persons do i see an interdependency about talking about the development and the giving up (as path) and not anymore be engaged in those preliminaries

Also here, some don't make use of those preliminaries, which is a free choice of course.


Mutsog marro
KY