heart wrote:Adamantine wrote:
I am starting to think too much emphasis is being placed on these labels from both sides of this dialogue. Since the word Buddha is just a referent for a fully realized being, I wonder if people would still argue with the statement dropping all foreign words (hahaha except Dzogchen, since all of us in the Dzogchen forum are so attached to that one!): "Dzogchen is the truth (dharma) expressed by fully realized beings (Buddhas)".
Ok, let's try it again, without the parenthesis! "Dzogchen is the truth expressed by fully realized beings".
Is it at all controversial? I am sure at least you and I agree that it is not Magnus. Hopefully nobody else finds it such!
Ok, let's take it a step further: "Fully realized beings also expressed things differently when trying to communicate the truth, so that different types of people could relate to the truth based on where their minds were at". Ok.. then we are back to the 9 yana system, or whatever equivalent there may be in the past or future or in other world systems.. it really does seem quite basic.
Yes, it is quite simple. In truth the 9 yanas is probably a simplification of the vast numbers of yanas the Buddhas teach. Are all these yanas related? Yes, because they have the same source, the Buddha's realization. So we can call them the Buddha's Dharma or Buddhism or Bon or something else.
Well, this is the thing... "Buddhism" is not always the Dharma taught by the Buddhas. Our misconceptions also integrated what is called Buddhism. But you know this, so I won't continue elaborating this triviality.