Abandoning past practice commitments

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Abandoning past practice commitments

Postby Inge » Wed May 23, 2012 5:30 pm

Hi!
A few years ago I prematurely attended some teachings and empowerments that were given with lifetime daily practice commitments. Afterwards I struggeled immensely with these practices for maybe a half year of so, but they made no sense to me, and I ended up doing them out of guilt, and fear of vajra hell. Then I gave them up alltogether. Now I only try to follow the teachings of ChNN, do Guru Yoga when I remember, and other DC practices when I have time and energy, but I still fear negative consequenses for abandoning past practice commitments. This is due to the snake in the bamboo image. I find in unreasonable to go to Vajra hell just for attending some teachings. I might understand if it was do to some kind of practices that manipulated the pranas, etc., that if done wrongly might lead to madness, etc., but just for attending empowerments and teachings? It does not make sense. I was thinking at the time that going could only be a good thing, that nothing bad could come from attending. So this was my motivation. I did not know anything about the teacher, lineage, teachings, practices, etc. So in this case, what am I to do?

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Re: Abandoning past practice commitments

Postby Josef » Wed May 23, 2012 5:36 pm

Try not to worry about it so much.
The more you attend teaching with ChNN the more clear it will become that you are going to be ok and that Ati Guru Yoga is sufficient.
You can integrate all of your commitments into your practice of Guru Yoga.

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Re: Abandoning past practice commitments

Postby Malcolm » Wed May 23, 2012 5:39 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Abandoning past practice commitments

Postby heart » Wed May 23, 2012 5:59 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Abandoning past practice commitments

Postby Blue Garuda » Wed May 23, 2012 6:26 pm

I have daily HYT practices which are not too arduous and once I know more I am sure will be fulfilled by daily practices recommended by ChNNR. I am already practising the Atiyoga.

Also, as Malcolm and ChNNR have kept on pointing out, Dzogchen is not dependent upon Buddhist Yanas, so I'm really moving towards understanding a potential unity than a certain divorce.
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Re: Abandoning past practice commitments

Postby heart » Wed May 23, 2012 7:33 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Abandoning past practice commitments

Postby Dronma » Wed May 23, 2012 8:44 pm

"My view is as vast as the sky, but my actions are finer than flour"
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Re: Abandoning past practice commitments

Postby Dechen Norbu » Thu May 24, 2012 2:15 am

You're doing fine, Inge. Just keep learning and practicing. Adding to what's been said- and well said- doing ganapuja, if you can, is also a good way to mend samaya.

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Re: Abandoning past practice commitments

Postby Grigoris » Thu May 24, 2012 8:31 am

If it is really freaking you out why don't you go tell the teacher you want to give back your commitments?
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Re: Abandoning past practice commitments

Postby Mariusz » Thu May 24, 2012 12:46 pm

Please consider if someone becomes dzogchen practitioner, his/her previous vajrayana commitments, (like Highest Yoga tantra), are not erased. So be carefull. Read for example: Treasury of Knowledge: Buddhist Ethics of Kngtril Lodro Thaye

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Re: Abandoning past practice commitments

Postby Malcolm » Thu May 24, 2012 6:33 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Abandoning past practice commitments

Postby Blue Garuda » Thu May 24, 2012 7:06 pm

I understand that there are two issues here, and my last post sought to express them:

1. Practice commitments up to and including HYT.

2. Tantric Vows.

Please could someone (Malcolm maybe?) be precise about how each of those two previous Vajrayana elements is satisfied in Dzogchen.

Which practice(s) fulfill HYT practice commitments?

Are any activities permitted within Dzogchen which would not be compatible with Tantric Vows, and if so, which takes precedence for the Dzogchen practitioner ?)
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