Anders Honore wrote:Buddhism has its root and centre in the liberation of the mind. If we call that 'Dzogchen', then yes. But this is all starting to risk sounding a bit too triumphalist. It's not really about whether whether the chicken or the egg came first. The point is just to be liberated, whether by means of that which we call 'Buddhism' (or 'Buddhadharma' as seems to be the currency in this thread) or 'Dzogchen'. We can say True Buddhism/Buddhadharma is liberation, or Dzogchen without quotation marks is Buddhahood or whatever, but at the end of the day a life of liberation doesn't need labels except to point others in the same direction.
With all due respect, that's not the issue anymore, as most of us here came to that consensus within the first few pages of this thread.
The issue is that many simply aren't paying attention (as Malcolm has also previously pointed out).
Not to set up anyone as the "big guy" (especially not myself), however I've noticed that many things that Pema Rigdzin, Paul, Kalden Yungdrung, and Malcolm, in particular (and maybe a couple others) have said; have either gotten ignored or taken out of context.
Specifically my basic restating of what Malcolm has already said, of which is found in my last two posts on the previous page of this thread.