Dzogchen Chanting

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Dzogchen Chanting

Postby Blue Garuda » Mon May 07, 2012 6:23 pm

I know next to nothing about Dzogchen and indeed the Nyingma in general.

My background is Gelugpa where the chanting I have encountered has been fairly flat or the deep throat chanting I can almost accomplish at times.

I have recently posted about receiving an empowerment form Dozgchen Rinpoche, in the course of which I received a mantra and also bought a CD of Dzogchen Monastery Chants.

I find the chants completely engrossing as they enter my mind, almost hypnotic, and chanting the one for which I have transmission is a wonderful experience.

The complexity of the Dzogchen chants seems to involve a lot of singing 'around' each syllable rather than simple enunciation, and some variation such as 'OYM' at the start rather than 'OM' or 'AUMN'.

Is this a characteristic?

Is it was intended to disguise the mantra, or because it is rooted in a more ancient form, etc ?

Here's an example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YSlU1_kd-A
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Re: Dzogchen Chanting

Postby Malcolm » Mon May 07, 2012 6:29 pm

Blue Garuda wrote:I know next to nothing about Dzogchen and indeed the Nyingma in general.

My background is Gelugpa where the chanting I have encountered has been fairly flat or the deep throat chanting I can almost accomplish at times.

I have recently posted about receiving an empowerment form Dozgchen Rinpoche, in the course of which I received a mantra and also bought a CD of Dzogchen Monastery Chants.

I find the chants completely engrossing as they enter my mind, almost hypnotic, and chanting the one for which I have transmission is a wonderful experience.

The complexity of the Dzogchen chants seems to involve a lot of singing 'around' each syllable rather than simple enunciation, and some variation such as 'OYM' at the start rather than 'OM' or 'AUMN'.

Is this a characteristic?

Is it was intended to disguise the mantra, or because it is rooted in a more ancient form, etc ?

Here's an example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YSlU1_kd-A


It is just style.
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Re: Dzogchen Chanting

Postby Blue Garuda » Mon May 07, 2012 6:54 pm

Namdrol wrote:
Blue Garuda wrote:I know next to nothing about Dzogchen and indeed the Nyingma in general.

My background is Gelugpa where the chanting I have encountered has been fairly flat or the deep throat chanting I can almost accomplish at times.

I have recently posted about receiving an empowerment form Dozgchen Rinpoche, in the course of which I received a mantra and also bought a CD of Dzogchen Monastery Chants.

I find the chants completely engrossing as they enter my mind, almost hypnotic, and chanting the one for which I have transmission is a wonderful experience.

The complexity of the Dzogchen chants seems to involve a lot of singing 'around' each syllable rather than simple enunciation, and some variation such as 'OYM' at the start rather than 'OM' or 'AUMN'.

Is this a characteristic?

Is it was intended to disguise the mantra, or because it is rooted in a more ancient form, etc ?

Here's an example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YSlU1_kd-A


It is just style.



Thank you.

Is that from lineage practices or an aspect of regional linguistics. ?
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Re: Dzogchen Chanting

Postby conebeckham » Mon May 07, 2012 7:03 pm

I think it's a combination of a lot of things.....melodies and means of chanting sometimes came to great masters in "visions," etc.

There's a funny song, I think it was from Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo, about the differences between lineages--and he talks about the differences in chanting styles--"Gandenpas chant from deep below, Nyingmas chant through the nose, " or some sort of funny comments like that. He also pokes fun of every lineage, before really making some terse statements about the great benefit of all....

There are quite elaborate systems of music, melody, chanting, etc., for every lineage--even for sub-lineages. I'm sure even the various Nyingma lineages have quite a variety of styles, melodies, etc.

A few years back I was very fortunate to have two Bhutanese (Drukpa Kagyu) Loppons stay with me for a while, and we did a shrine consecration--I joined them, and their methods of chanting, melodies, music, etc. was utterly unlike what I'd been taught. The varieties are truly endless!
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Re: Dzogchen Chanting

Postby Blue Garuda » Mon May 07, 2012 7:12 pm

conebeckham wrote:I think it's a combination of a lot of things.....melodies and means of chanting sometimes came to great masters in "visions," etc.

There's a funny song, I think it was from Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo, about the differences between lineages--and he talks about the differences in chanting styles--"Gandenpas chant from deep below, Nyingmas chant through the nose, " or some sort of funny comments like that. He also pokes fun of every lineage, before really making some terse statements about the great benefit of all....

There are quite elaborate systems of music, melody, chanting, etc., for every lineage--even for sub-lineages. I'm sure even the various Nyingma lineages have quite a variety of styles, melodies, etc.

A few years back I was very fortunate to have two Bhutanese (Drukpa Kagyu) Loppons stay with me for a while, and we did a shrine consecration--I joined them, and their methods of chanting, melodies, music, etc. was utterly unlike what I'd been taught. The varieties are truly endless!


Ah, thanks. :)

At the moment, when unfamiliar, I just rise and fall with the tide of actions by those who know what they are doing! LOL :)
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Re: Dzogchen Chanting

Postby Malcolm » Mon May 07, 2012 7:16 pm

Blue Garuda wrote:
conebeckham wrote:I think it's a combination of a lot of things.....melodies and means of chanting sometimes came to great masters in "visions," etc.

There's a funny song, I think it was from Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo, about the differences between lineages--and he talks about the differences in chanting styles--"Gandenpas chant from deep below, Nyingmas chant through the nose, " or some sort of funny comments like that. He also pokes fun of every lineage, before really making some terse statements about the great benefit of all....

There are quite elaborate systems of music, melody, chanting, etc., for every lineage--even for sub-lineages. I'm sure even the various Nyingma lineages have quite a variety of styles, melodies, etc.

A few years back I was very fortunate to have two Bhutanese (Drukpa Kagyu) Loppons stay with me for a while, and we did a shrine consecration--I joined them, and their methods of chanting, melodies, music, etc. was utterly unlike what I'd been taught. The varieties are truly endless!


Ah, thanks. :)

At the moment, when unfamiliar, I just rise and fall with the tide of actions by those who know what they are doing! LOL :)


The most profound Dzogchen chant is Song of the Vajra.

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Re: Dzogchen Chanting

Postby Blue Garuda » Mon May 07, 2012 7:30 pm

Namdrol wrote:
The most profound Dzogchen chant is Song of the Vajra.

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Thanks. :)

I have the Nyenpa Lha Sum chant.

The CD has:
Seven line Prayer
Benza Guru Mantra
Bodhicitta Prayer
Om Mani..
Long life Prayer
Prayer for the Tradition


Does the Song of the Vajra require transmission or is it available generally. If so, where can I find it please?
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Re: Dzogchen Chanting

Postby Josef » Mon May 07, 2012 7:57 pm

Blue Garuda wrote:
Does the Song of the Vajra require transmission or is it available generally. If so, where can I find it please?

You can get the transmission and text via tonights webcast most likely.

I used to be self conscious about the chanting/singing practices until I started doing the SOV daily.
Now it is one of the most profound practices I have ever encountered. There is a diverse range of applications for it.

The SOV basically turns you into a walking dispensary of ma sgom sangs rgyas chos lnga for the beings you encounter as long as you are present of your potential to benefit then through the practice.
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Re: Dzogchen Chanting

Postby Blue Garuda » Mon May 07, 2012 8:01 pm

Nangwa wrote:
Blue Garuda wrote:
Does the Song of the Vajra require transmission or is it available generally. If so, where can I find it please?

You can get the transmission and text via tonights webcast most likely.

I used to be self conscious about the chanting/singing practices until I started doing the SOV daily.
Now it is one of the most profound practices I have ever encountered. There is a diverse range of applications for it.

The SOV basically turns you into a walking dispensary of ma sgom sangs rgyas chos lnga for the beings you encounter as long as you are present of your potential to benefit then through the practice.


Thanks. :)

Is there a link or is it closed?
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Re: Dzogchen Chanting

Postby Josef » Mon May 07, 2012 8:08 pm

Blue Garuda wrote:
Nangwa wrote:
Blue Garuda wrote:
Does the Song of the Vajra require transmission or is it available generally. If so, where can I find it please?

You can get the transmission and text via tonights webcast most likely.

I used to be self conscious about the chanting/singing practices until I started doing the SOV daily.
Now it is one of the most profound practices I have ever encountered. There is a diverse range of applications for it.

The SOV basically turns you into a walking dispensary of ma sgom sangs rgyas chos lnga for the beings you encounter as long as you are present of your potential to benefit then through the practice.


Thanks. :)

Is there a link or is it closed?


It's open.
http://www.shangshunginstitute.net/webcast/video.php
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Re: Dzogchen Chanting

Postby Blue Garuda » Mon May 07, 2012 8:12 pm



Thanks. :)

Seems I'm too late for May 7th - did you mean May 8th?
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Re: Dzogchen Chanting

Postby Kilaya. » Mon May 07, 2012 8:27 pm

Nangwa wrote:The SOV basically turns you into a walking dispensary of ma sgom sangs rgyas chos lnga


Meaning?
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Re: Dzogchen Chanting

Postby pensum » Mon May 07, 2012 8:52 pm

Kilaya. wrote:
Nangwa wrote:The SOV basically turns you into a walking dispensary of ma sgom sangs rgyas chos lnga

Meaning?


The five methods of liberation without meditating, namely through seeing, hearing, touch, taste and wearing.
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Re: Dzogchen Chanting

Postby Kilaya. » Mon May 07, 2012 8:55 pm

pensum wrote:
Kilaya. wrote:
Nangwa wrote:The SOV basically turns you into a walking dispensary of ma sgom sangs rgyas chos lnga

Meaning?


The five methods of liberation without meditating, namely through seeing, hearing, touch, taste and wearing.


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