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Re: Protectors in DC question

Postby alpha » Mon May 07, 2012 8:50 am

Dronma wrote:
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Dronma wrote:Rinpoche has told many times that for offering our daily meals is enough to spell only OM A HUM. If we cannot spell, then say it under breathing is always sufficient.



to my knowledge there is one more line to add after om ah hung.om ah hung blesses the food.and after that we enjoy our meal while in a state of integration.


We can add many lines before and after OM A HUM! But we are not here for teaching each other, since we all have Gurus and we study and take part in retreats for learning how to apply all these things. ;)


i am not here to teach you or anybody.i was mainly highlighting the need of using the complete instruction when one is transforming their meal into ganapuja as per Rinpoche's advice.
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Re: Protectors in DC question

Postby dakini_boi » Mon May 07, 2012 5:18 pm

Namdrol wrote:
Just a remainder offering. Three roots are inside you, as well as protectors


Why is the remainder offered to the "guardians of the remains." These are really offered to the guests of compassion, having nothing to do with dharmapalas - correct?
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Re: Protectors in DC question

Postby Malcolm » Mon May 07, 2012 5:19 pm

dakini_boi wrote:
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Just a remainder offering. Three roots are inside you, as well as protectors


Why is the remainder offered to the "guardians of the remains." These are really offered to the guests of compassion, having nothing to do with dharmapalas - correct?


They are offered to those outside the mandala.
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Re: Protectors in DC question

Postby heart » Mon May 07, 2012 5:22 pm

Namdrol wrote:
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Just a remainder offering. Three roots are inside you, as well as protectors


Why is the remainder offered to the "guardians of the remains." These are really offered to the guests of compassion, having nothing to do with dharmapalas - correct?


They are offered to those outside the mandala.


Among others that is the Dharmapalas.

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Re: Protectors in DC question

Postby dakini_boi » Mon May 07, 2012 5:40 pm

Namdrol wrote:They are offered to those outside the mandala.


but why are they called "guardians?"
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Re: Protectors in DC question

Postby dakini_boi » Mon May 07, 2012 5:42 pm

heart wrote:
Among others that is the Dharmapalas.

/magnus


I thought the remains are offered to sentient beings of the 6 realms after the main offerings to the 3 roots and dharmapalas. - and therefore the dharmapalas are not included among the recipients of the remains.
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Re: Protectors in DC question

Postby Malcolm » Mon May 07, 2012 5:44 pm

dakini_boi wrote:
Namdrol wrote:They are offered to those outside the mandala.


but why are they called "guardians?"


Becuase they also have some function of guarding place.
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Re: Protectors in DC question

Postby Malcolm » Mon May 07, 2012 5:45 pm

dakini_boi wrote:
heart wrote:
Among others that is the Dharmapalas.

/magnus


I thought the remains are offered to sentient beings of the 6 realms after the main offerings to the 3 roots and dharmapalas. - and therefore the dharmapalas are not included among the recipients of the remains.

They are not.
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Re: Protectors in DC question

Postby dakini_boi » Mon May 07, 2012 5:46 pm

Thank you, all is clear :thanks:
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Re: Protectors in DC question

Postby heart » Mon May 07, 2012 8:49 pm

According to one sadhana the remainder is offered to the "hosts of oath-bound realm protectors", which is what I been taught. Namdrol feel free to elaborate this point a little because "oath-bound realm protectors" are protectors if I am not mistaken, right? In fact I been told that the protectors can't enter the mandala.

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Re: Protectors in DC question

Postby Lhug-Pa » Mon May 07, 2012 9:03 pm

The remains are offered to the guests of compassion, and the local guardians; but not to the main Lineage Guardians (since the latter are to take part in receiving the main offerings).
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Re: Protectors in DC question

Postby Dronma » Tue May 08, 2012 1:15 am

alpha wrote:
i am not here to teach you or anybody.i was mainly highlighting the need of using the complete instruction when one is transforming their meal into ganapuja as per Rinpoche's advice.


Yes, of course. But we have to be in the state of integration 24 hours/day, 365 days/year!!! :D
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Re: Protectors in DC question

Postby Dronma » Tue May 08, 2012 2:02 am

dakini_boi wrote:Why is the remainder offered to the "guardians of the remains." These are really offered to the guests of compassion, having nothing to do with dharmapalas - correct?


"Lastly there is the third offering. When we invite Gurus, Devas and Dakinis and all manifestations of the Guardians, inferior beings and weak beings do not have the courage to show themselves.
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in the dimension of the guests at a Ganapuja there are many beings of this kind, for example, spirits, small local guardians and even beings of the Six Lokas such as pretas or beings who are due to be repaid for some karmic debt, we may have left. We also make an offering to these beings.
.......
We can make offerings to the pretas too, but they suffer from hunger and thirst because this is their karmic vision. Even if we authenticate the food with mantras and do our best, the pretas cannot see the food. Only a being such as Avalokiteshvara or a great Bodhisattva, with the power of his great compassion and wisdom, is said to manage to offer the pretas a few drops of milk and get them to enjoy it a tiny bit.
.......
So in a Ganapuja we cannot offer proper offerings to the pretas. Also there are other beings, there are thousands of weak beings with whom we have karmic debts and we offer food to all these beings. Some believe that the leftovers are only for pretas but this is a mistake".

Excerpts from the book "Ganapuja" by Chögyal Namkhai Norbu, Shang Shung Edizioni.
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Re: Protectors in DC question

Postby heart » Tue May 08, 2012 4:47 am

Lhug-Pa wrote:The remains are offered to the guests of compassion, and the local guardians; but not to the main Lineage Guardians (since the latter are to take part in receiving the main offerings).


Like I said, they are protectors. :smile:

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Re: Protectors in DC question

Postby Lhug-Pa » Tue May 08, 2012 7:22 am

True Magnus, I did notice that; and you addressed Namdrol anyway, so I should have let him answer first. :)
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Re: Protectors in DC question

Postby Sönam » Tue May 08, 2012 9:26 am

The real true protector is an unwavering compassion ...

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Re: Protectors in DC question

Postby pemachophel » Tue May 08, 2012 3:50 pm

I've been taught that the remainders are for the low-level Protectors that can't come to the feast because they are at their posts on guard.
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Re: Protectors in DC question

Postby heart » Tue May 08, 2012 5:28 pm

pemachophel wrote:I've been taught that the remainders are for the low-level Protectors that can't come to the feast because they are at their posts on guard.


Sounds a lot like "hosts of oath-bound realm protectors" to me.

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