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Postby YangtiConfusion » Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:16 pm

1. Is yangti a practice or a Nyingma classifcation of literature? Or both? See following link:

http://www.thlib.org/collections/texts/ ... ermano/b8/

2. If it is a practice, name people (Buddhas) who have achieved phowa chenpo via it.

3. Which one Tibetan yangti text, of the 40+ available, explains all the various yangti methods the best?

4. If you practice in Yangti methods for awhile and then switch over to the Seminal Heart, would the progress of the first automatically translate into the second?
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Re: Confused on Yangti generalities

Postby Malcolm » Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:45 pm

YangtiConfusion wrote:1. Is yangti a practice or a Nyingma classifcation of literature? Or both? See following link:

http://www.thlib.org/collections/texts/ ... ermano/b8/



Both.

4. If you practice in Yangti methods for awhile and then switch over to the Seminal Heart, would the progress of the first automatically translate into the second?


There is basically no difference in methods. Yangti methods such as dark retreat and so on on occur in Snying thig as well.

In snying thig there is the unsurpassed secret cycle. This equals yang ti.
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Re: Confused on Yangti generalities

Postby YangtiConfusion » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:06 pm

Namdrol wrote:Both.


So is this "yangti" terminology not found in Bon?


Namdrol wrote:dark retreat and so on on occur in Snying thig as well.



But only in something like Gongspa Zangthal right? Not in most nyingthig?
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Re: Confused on Yangti generalities

Postby Malcolm » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:09 pm

YangtiConfusion wrote:
Namdrol wrote:Both.


So is this "yangti" terminology not found in Bon?


Namdrol wrote:dark retreat and so on on occur in Snying thig as well.



But only in something like Gongspa Zangthal right? Not in most nyingthig?


No, in all major snying thig cycles.

The practices of snying thig, yang ti, etc, are also found in Bon.
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Re: Confused on Yangti generalities

Postby YangtiConfusion » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:12 pm

Namdrol wrote:
The practices of snying thig, yang ti, etc, are also found in Bon.



I meant Bon people have different words for the same thing.
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Re: Confused on Yangti generalities

Postby YangtiConfusion » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:29 pm

Namdrol wrote:The practices of snying thig, yang ti, etc, are also found in Bon.


Except S.o.V. from the 17 Tantras?
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Re: Confused on Yangti generalities

Postby Jax » Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:49 pm

However Bon does not have the cycle of Dungts'o Repa regarding the Seven Levels of Visions that are quite extraordinary. Norbu offers this transmission, and I have found the results from practice to be most profound. It is considered in Nyingma to be the pinnacle of esoteric methods. I recommend everyone to pursue this unique transmission. Norbu recently taught all seven levels at a public retreat.
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Re: Confused on Yangti generalities

Postby Pero » Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:51 pm

Namdrol wrote:There is basically no difference in methods. Yangti methods such as dark retreat and so on on occur in Snying thig as well.

In snying thig there is the unsurpassed secret cycle. This equals yang ti.

Didn't you mention once that yang ti considers itself superior?
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Re: Confused on Yangti generalities

Postby Malcolm » Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:44 pm

Pero wrote:
Namdrol wrote:There is basically no difference in methods. Yangti methods such as dark retreat and so on on occur in Snying thig as well.

In snying thig there is the unsurpassed secret cycle. This equals yang ti.

Didn't you mention once that yang ti considers itself superior?



All Dzogchen texts have abundent triumphalist rhetoric.
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Re: Confused on Yangti generalities

Postby deepbluehum » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:47 am

I'm spending some time studying the yang ti nag po gser gyi 'bru gcig pa'i chos skor.

It is a sprawling text with numerous topics, many which are overlapping with other genres. Could someone please PM me which sections of within the three volume set contain info specific to yangti? I would greatly appreciate it.

Also I keep seeing the following syllables: ནྱ and ནྱུ this is something like how it looks, though I'm not sure; these are odd.

Thank you.
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Postby conebeckham » Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:01 pm

Malcolm wrote:All Dharma texts have abundent triumphalist rhetoric.



Fixed that for ya.
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Re: Confused on Yangti generalities

Postby spanda » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:39 pm

Jax wrote:However Bon does not have the cycle of Dungts'o Repa regarding the Seven Levels of Visions that are quite extraordinary. Norbu offers this transmission, and I have found the results from practice to be most profound. It is considered in Nyingma to be the pinnacle of esoteric methods. I recommend everyone to pursue this unique transmission. Norbu recently taught all seven levels at a public retreat.


Does anybody know when exactly has N. Norbu taught this transmission of Dungts'o Repa 's Seven Levels of Visions?
Except for Longde teachings , Yangti (taught not in a complete form), and Thogal teachings, I don't know any other teaching similar with this, given by N. Norbu..
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Re: Confused on Yangti generalities

Postby Malcolm » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:50 pm

spanda wrote:
Jax wrote:However Bon does not have the cycle of Dungts'o Repa regarding the Seven Levels of Visions that are quite extraordinary. Norbu offers this transmission, and I have found the results from practice to be most profound. It is considered in Nyingma to be the pinnacle of esoteric methods. I recommend everyone to pursue this unique transmission. Norbu recently taught all seven levels at a public retreat.


Does anybody know when exactly has N. Norbu taught this transmission of Dungts'o Repa 's Seven Levels of Visions?
Except for Longde teachings , Yangti (taught not in a complete form), and Thogal teachings, I don't know any other teaching similar with this, given by N. Norbu..



ChNN has given the lung for this cycle teachings several times, for example, in 1992 in Conway. But he informed us then that we do the first level, then we communicate with him and based on our experience, he will communicate the next level and so on.

He gave the Longsal Yangti teaching last year in Merigar. It has the same basic structure.
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Re: Confused on Yangti generalities

Postby oldbob » Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:30 pm

spanda wrote:
Jax wrote:However Bon does not have the cycle of Dungts'o Repa regarding the Seven Levels of Visions that are quite extraordinary. Norbu offers this transmission, and I have found the results from practice to be most profound. It is considered in Nyingma to be the pinnacle of esoteric methods. I recommend everyone to pursue this unique transmission. Norbu recently taught all seven levels at a public retreat.


Does anybody know when exactly has N. Norbu taught this transmission of Dungts'o Repa 's Seven Levels of Visions?
Except for Longde teachings , Yangti (taught not in a complete form), and Thogal teachings, I don't know any other teaching similar with this, given by N. Norbu..


Dear all and ALL,

My first notes on wish fulfilling jewel, ChNNR's, transmission of precious Yangti go back to 4/6/83. There was a small group who met quietly each year to receive another level. This went on for a few years and then more emphasis was placed on individual practice and relating the results of your practice to ChNNR, in private, in order to receive the additional levels.

I think that if anyone is a member of the DC, they can buy the book:

http://shangshung.org/store/index.php?m ... cts_id=286

This includes the Guru Yoga of the White Ah which is an introduction to Yangti.

Then if you have transmission and do this practice, then you might be able to approach ChNNR and request the next level.

Completing each level, you would then request the next. There are dark retreat cabins at Tseygyalgar

http://www.tsegyalgar.org/

and Merigar - West,

http://www.dzogchen.it/merigar-west

and they may exit at other Gars / Lings, as well.

I think that this would be the easiest way to get into this practice. I did my 49 days (total), in the dark retreat Hilton, at Tseygyalgar, and feel that this practice is really ideal for a lazy old guy like me.

It should be mentioned that it is rumored that these teachings were also transmitted to Westerners, in full, by Venerable Khetsun Sangpo Rinpoche,

http://www.dotgroup.info/main/home.aspx ... nuPageId=1

and by Venerable Khenpo Tsultrim Gyamtso Rinpoche,

http://www.ktgrinpoche.org/

There are rumors that the Yangti is being taught by:

http://www.sakyong.com/home.php

It is also rumored that the Bon Yangtig has been taught to several Westerners in the traditional 49 day retreat.

http://www.bonfoundation.org/aboutbon.html

http://www.yungdrungbon-stiftung.de/eng ... kneng.html

Hope this helps.

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Re: Confused on Yangti generalities

Postby spanda » Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:12 am

Thank you Malcom and oldbob for this answer
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Re: Confused on Yangti generalities

Postby Sherlock » Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:36 pm

Do you need to have a specific transmission to practise the Guruyoga of the White A with Guru Garab Dorje? I've been doing it for weeks before sleeping and have had some semi-lucid dreams involving Dzogchen practice but I'm not sure that I've really received the lung for it before; I remember listening to the lung for it in one of the replays but I'm not sure if I received it at any live webcast.
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Re: Confused on Yangti generalities

Postby nyamssnanggong'phel » Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:55 pm

Germano says Yangti was a copy of the unsurpassed secret cycle of nyingthig by a very small group of people, after their Crown Pith failed to become as popular as the unsurpassed secret cycle of nyingthig.

So we can say the unsurpassed secret cycle of nyingthig is superior to yangti.
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Re: Confused on Yangti generalities

Postby Malcolm » Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:08 pm

nyamssnanggong'phel wrote:
So we can say the unsurpassed secret cycle of nyingthig is superior to yangti.


What is your reasoning concerning this?
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Re: Confused on Yangti generalities

Postby nyamssnanggong'phel » Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:12 pm

If yangti is a copy, then the original is better.

Of course I could be misunderstanding Germano.
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Re: Confused on Yangti generalities

Postby Malcolm » Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:21 pm

nyamssnanggong'phel wrote:If yangti is a copy, then the original is better.

Of course I could be misunderstanding Germano.


What article are you referencing, the funerary buddhism one?
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