"Location" of mind in Dzogchen

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"Location" of mind in Dzogchen

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Re: "Location" of mind in Dzogchen

Postby Astus » Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:41 am

"Certain late rNying ma pa tantras even go further in localizing the sems and ye shes in the body. Ye shes resides in the heart whereas sems is in the lung."
("The Primordial Basis as Having a Physical Presentation" in The Great Perfection by S.G. Karmay, p 185ff)
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: "Location" of mind in Dzogchen

Postby kalden yungdrung » Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:49 pm

Tashi delek,

Could it not be that mind does not have a place to stay, because its very base would be emptiness?

So would the mind realy abide inside the body together with its memory?


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Postby kalden yungdrung » Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:55 pm

The best meditation is no meditation

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Re: "Location" of mind in Dzogchen

Postby Paul » Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:58 pm

This exact question is answered by Tsele Natsok Rangdrol in the book Empowerment.
Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell

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Postby Paul » Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:50 am

Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell

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Postby DarwidHalim » Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:02 am

You have to see the whole story within context. You cannot compare passage and passage or sentence with sentence.

It really depends on the point the teacher wants to hit, sometimes he use relative term sometimes he use ultimate term expressed in relative term.

For example the base of consciousness (alaya), is proposed as it is something real. It is the source of everything. It sounds as if it can be found.

Another example if you read atiyoga text, "the supreme source", it sound as if there is a god, which act as the source of something. However, at the latter part everythIng is rejected.

So you need to see thing in the big context.

Madyamika prasingka is the ultimate view. Use that background to read Mahamudra or Dzoghchen, it will strengthen your understanding deeper without any contradiction.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Postby DarwidHalim » Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:40 am

That is no problem actually. If for them, that view make sense to them, then they use that basis to learn dzochgen or Mahamudra. Or if they are chitamatra, then they use that view to learn Dzoghchen or Mahamudra.

However, I just wonder how far can that person go without contradiction if they have the view of chitamatra and dzochgen or Mahamudra.

Or how far can they go if they have prasangika svatantrika.

May be for them everything can go smoothly, in the sense everything click nicely. In this case, that is good for them.

If not, may be dzochgen or Mahamudra bring them to the next level.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: "Location" of mind in Dzogchen

Postby DarwidHalim » Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:14 am

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: "Location" of mind in Dzogchen

Postby Sönam » Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:33 am

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -

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