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Buddhism and Native American commonality (Nagarjuna)

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Buddhism and Native American commonality (Nagarjuna)

Postby soulive1112420 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:46 pm

I was hoping someone could help me out. In Bob Thurman's "Jewel Tree of Tibet" he talks about Nagarjuna's great contributions to Buddhism. Most notably his rediscovering the Mahayana teachings with help from the dragon kings. Truly one of my favorite figures in Buddhism. Thurman goes on to say in Jewel tree (page 100) he then "voyaged to America on a dragons back and teaching for several centuries before returning to India" I found this to be extraordinarily interesting but in the dozens of books iv read many of them mention Nagarjuna frequently but iv never heard anything about his trip to the Americas. Maybe im reading the wrong books but i was wondering if anyone could help me out. Id like to learn more about this. Recently iv been reading a lot about native American spirituality and i couldn't believe how many commonality's the two philosophy's share. Concepts like the reincarnation, respecting sentient beings (ahisma), and the interconnectedness of all life to name a few. After learning about Nagarjuna trip i find this hardly to be a coincidence. If any one could elaborate on and maybe shed some light on the specifics of his journey it would be most appreciated

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Re: Buddhism and Native American commonality (Nagarjuna)

Postby Mawkish1983 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:53 pm

Don't think I've ever read anything about this.

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Re: Buddhism and Native American commonality (Nagarjuna)

Postby Justsit » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:13 pm

Not sure about the Nagarjuna connection, but there are a number of other sources which appear to tie the Tibetan culture with the Native Americans.

“When the iron bird flies, and horses run on wheels, the Tibetan people will be scattered like ants across the world, and the Dharma will come to the land of the red faced people”
--(Padma Sambhava, eighth-century Indian guru and founder of the first Tibetan monastery)


"When the iron bird flies, the red-robed people of the East who have lost their land will appear, and the two brothers from across the great ocean will be reunited." --Hopi Prophecy

These may be apocryphal, or not. The 16th Karmapa made a point of visiting the Hopi Nation during his visit in 1974, as did the 17th Karmapa, in 2008. You might get a more scholarly response if you ask your question on the sister site, dharmawheel.com

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Postby soulive1112420 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:28 pm

thank you

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Re: Buddhism and Native American commonality (Nagarjuna)

Postby tamdrin » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:35 pm

Prof Thurman did say that in that book but it is highly unlikely/impossible that Nagarjuna came to America. First of all how would he have gotten there in the 2nd Century C.E, flewn? First major group of explorers that came to America were said to be Colombus in 1492... He had to make a treacherous journey on boat from Europe.. Just think about it. Secondly who would Nagarjuna have taught in America the Native Americans? I highly doubt it..

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Postby Prasadachitta » Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:44 pm

"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Re: Buddhism and Native American commonality (Nagarjuna)

Postby Monkey Mind » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:22 am

Some folks wondering the same question, on a different forum:

http://www.freesangha.com/forums/index.php?topic=836.0
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as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.

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Postby Prasadachitta » Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:26 am

Spirituality and culture are separate things even though they are closely related. What makes Tibetans similar to Hopi doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Buddhism.
"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Postby Prasadachitta » Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:40 am

"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Re: Buddhism and Native American commonality (Nagarjuna)

Postby silentone » Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:16 am

Strange coincidence... I was commenting on the Vegan Breast milk thread and came across this.

http://traumwerk.stanford.edu/archaeolo ... ion_t.html

IT discusses a retrovirus, HTLV that is transmitted in breast milk. Since the virus is preserved in DNA< they were able to study mutations across many different groups of people. They found an interesting link that connects certain groups of native americans to a group of people in Japan. This would have been prior to the voyage of columbus. So there is a possibility of movement between the two cultures. There is genetic evidence.

Two paragraphs of interest:


"New technology however, allows identification of strains with greater precision. The strains found in South America and the Caribbean are more similar to the strains prevalent in ancient Japan. The Peruvian mummy (Sonoda et al 2000) further confirms that HTLV-1 was present in the Americas thousands of years prior to the slave trade. Similarly, a cluster of Japanese type HTLV-1 has been detected in a Coastal population of Amerindian natives in British Columbia (Picard et al 1995), although the significance of this may not have been appreciated in 1995 when first reported. "

"A rapidly accreting body of evidence suggests that human migration into the Americas occurred much earlier than previously thought. Two distinct waves of migration have been documented with the characteristics of each dictated by the timing of the last ice age. Coastal migration was favored at the peak of the ice age when sea levels were lower and abundant seafood was available. The ancient people of Japan were known to be excellent coastal seafarers but reluctant visitors to the open sea. Sea craft during that phase of human migration were more primitive and did not support open sea migration. Siberian migration became dominant after the receding of the ice sheet and these later migrants may have replaced or assimilated the earlier migrants. "

I'm not sure which one of those migration periods favored dragons though ;p

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Papanca thy name is legion.

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