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padma norbu wrote:What is the best practice for developing a change of heart once a real character flaw is noticed? I'm sure we could answer "guru yoga" to everything, but how about Tonglen, the 4 contemplations, prayer wheel, etc.? I'm sure they're all good, but does anyone have any specific experiences and recommendations based on these experiences? Or is there some specific dzogchen practice which perhaps has been taught by Namkhai Norbu and which I may be able to practice?
padma norbu wrote:What is the best practice for developing a change of heart once a real character flaw is noticed? I'm sure we could answer "guru yoga" to everything, but how about Tonglen, the 4 contemplations, prayer wheel, etc.? I'm sure they're all good, but does anyone have any specific experiences and recommendations based on these experiences? Or is there some specific dzogchen practice which perhaps has been taught by Namkhai Norbu and which I may be able to practice?
asunthatneversets wrote:I'd say awakening true compassion is the absence of acceptance or rejection, allowing what-is to appear as it does.
SARVA MANGALAM
Without clairvoyance, we cannot work for other sentient beings - Khunu Lama
Suddenly you will know the different knowledge without study - Thog-'bebs
One may now accomplish the welfare and instruction of all sentient beings, spontaneously and without effort, by simply being, that is to say, by manifesting one's enlightened nature through spontaneously emanating an infinity of Nirmanakaya manifestations - Vajranatha
Lhug-Pa wrote:Perhaps complete, or, if you have already completed, revisit a purification practice or two found in the Dzogchen Community. My reasoning for suggesting this, is the idea that through the removal of what in us is contrary to Compassion, Compassion will naturally arise.
If you have The Precious Vase, there are also specific practices for Compassion such as Lojong, the Four Immeasurables, etc.
You've probably thought about all this already though....
Pero wrote:And the 25 Spaces of Samantabhadra (Longsal, Vima Nyingthig or Changhub Dorje's) is also a great purification practice.
SARVA MANGALAM
Without clairvoyance, we cannot work for other sentient beings - Khunu Lama
Suddenly you will know the different knowledge without study - Thog-'bebs
One may now accomplish the welfare and instruction of all sentient beings, spontaneously and without effort, by simply being, that is to say, by manifesting one's enlightened nature through spontaneously emanating an infinity of Nirmanakaya manifestations - Vajranatha
padma norbu wrote:But, I think if you suddenly realize what you're allowing to appear is essentially pleasure at someone else's misfortune, then that is a problem. You could not indulge it and let it dissolve, but if it keeps coming back, then it seems to me like it's never really being addressed. It is strange, but something like this just occurred to me, I guess because I may have finally been more mindful than usual and so I noticed my thoughts. And I thought, "wait a minute, I am actually enjoying this thought of another's misfortune" and I began to wonder about this... if, knowing everything I know about samsara, I still take pleasure in another's misery despite generally thinking I feel compassionate toward people and frequently thinking throughout the day how everything is illusory projection, then how do you change something like that? To reduce it to something really simple so you can get my point: it's like enjoying the taste of pizza; if you like the taste of pizza, how could you ever not like it? You may stop eating it for dietary reasons or whatever, but you will never stop liking the taste of pizza.

padma norbu wrote:asunthatneversets wrote:I'd say awakening true compassion is the absence of acceptance or rejection, allowing what-is to appear as it does.
This is how I used to basically see it, since all is the display of the illusion of self and other. But, I think if you suddenly realize what you're allowing to appear is essentially pleasure at someone else's misfortune, then that is a problem. You could not indulge it and let it dissolve, but if it keeps coming back, then it seems to me like it's never really being addressed. It is strange, but something like this just occurred to me, I guess because I may have finally been more mindful than usual and so I noticed my thoughts. And I thought, "wait a minute, I am actually enjoying this thought of another's misfortune" and I began to wonder about this... if, knowing everything I know about samsara, I still take pleasure in another's misery despite generally thinking I feel compassionate toward people and frequently thinking throughout the day how everything is illusory projection, then how do you change something like that? To reduce it to something really simple so you can get my point: it's like enjoying the taste of pizza; if you like the taste of pizza, how could you ever not like it? You may stop eating it for dietary reasons or whatever, but you will never stop liking the taste of pizza.
This is basically self-cherishing and there are certainly many ways to change it, but I don't know... it worried me because I had the realization that over time it seems maybe I have become more calloused and selfish than I was when I first started looking into Buddhism seriously half a lifetime ago. I think 15-20 years ago I had similar ideas pop into my head but I probably either felt justified because I disliked whoever I was thinking about and so didn't really notice or else felt guilty about it and depressed with shame (I was quite down on myself back then, in general). But, yesterday, as my mind was wandering recently into these self-cherishing thoughts, I noticed a complete lack of guilt about it, but that it was just sort of compartmentalized in a "safe zone" like I had become used to saying to myself "just thinking, no harm done" so much so that I could really indulge such thoughts without guilt while enjoying the idea of someone else's misfortune. I've also noticed that as I've gained experience, I've become more hateful of certain attitudes and personality traits rather than more accepting of them. Sure, I'm more patient and accepting in some ways, but I'm more fed up and impatient in other ways.
I want to change all this ASAP. This dawning realization felt like a climactic scene in some b-movie where, after acting like a psycho for an hour and twenty minutes, the bad guy suddenly realizes he's nutso only when he accidentally kills someone he truly loves and then he gasps, "What have I become?!" before blowing his own head off. I don't want to have a secret place in my head where I can entertain hateful attitudes privately. The more these habits are repeated, the stronger they become, I believe. Maybe pizza was the wrong metaphor before— maybe it's more like coffee or cigarettes; an acquired taste, but one that quickly becomes addictive and is reinforced with every imbibing.
padma norbu wrote:There are some kinds of nastiness that aren't motivated by moral outrage. The sadist, as an extreme example, takes pleasure in harming others just because he likes it.
"distressing thoughts pop in her head"? Perhaps it's caused by OCD, and not by her personality? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrusive_thoughtspadma norbu wrote:My mother, though, who is a pretty okay lady these days and tries her best to be a good person is 65 and recently told me about these thoughts that pop in her head and asked if I thought she was a sick person for thinking these things. I think she only confided in me because at the time I probably was making some actual progress in my self-transformation (that progress seems to be on pause for the last quite a long while, but I digress...). I told her, "Nah, no way, our brains just think stuff all the time and they get carried away before we even realize what we're thinking about." Glad I remembered that just now, but I feel differently about it now. Still, it is slightly reassuring.
^^^Konchog1 wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrusive_thoughts
(so here I am

SARVA MANGALAM
Without clairvoyance, we cannot work for other sentient beings - Khunu Lama
Suddenly you will know the different knowledge without study - Thog-'bebs
One may now accomplish the welfare and instruction of all sentient beings, spontaneously and without effort, by simply being, that is to say, by manifesting one's enlightened nature through spontaneously emanating an infinity of Nirmanakaya manifestations - Vajranatha
padma norbu wrote:dakini_boi, thanks for the word "sickness." That's how I felt at the moment of recognition: wow, I'm twisted.
oleblanc wrote:It awakens spontaneously. I experienced that during my last SMS retreat, when i carefully I asked my teacher: "...so, round 5 billion people on Earth will go to lower realms after death?"
the answer was: "More"
then Compassion hit me

padma norbu wrote:Pema Rigdzin, thanks, that's more or less what I've been doing, but I guess not enough or not the best quality. Or maybe it just takes a lot longer than I think it should.
padma norbu wrote:I've been worried about the hell realms for a couple years now and still am because I am inconsistent.
padma norbu wrote:specifically this one practice I learned a long time ago where you imagine everyone else's negativity as thick black smoke and you INHALE it into your lungs and then transform it into white light and exhale it back on them. Anyone ever heard of this practice?
What I need is a good scaring,
combine it with my fear of the failure of recognizing the wrathful deities in the bardo and the fear of rebirth in hell realms and hopefully this will kick my butt in gear enough that I can make some real progress before I die.
What is the best practice for developing a change of heart once a real character flaw is noticed?
Pema Rigdzin wrote:If you do the purification of the 6 lokas practice thoroughly, this won't even be an issue. You will not even have the possibility of being reborn in samsaric realms after that (by force of karma, that is, not precluding bodhisattva/buddha activity).
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