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Re: Ground of Being

Postby heart » Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:14 pm

gad rgyangs wrote:
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"Likewise, no ignorance exist in the ground, yet ignorance naturally arise from the aspect of what manifested as compassion."

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exactly.


right :smile:

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Re: Ground of Being

Postby Malcolm » Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:15 pm

gad rgyangs wrote:
heart wrote:
"Likewise, no ignorance exist in the ground, yet ignorance naturally arise from the aspect of what manifested as compassion."

/magnus


exactly.



Yes, since that aspect was not recognized, but compassion does not arise as ignorance otherwise, ignorance would be intrinsic to the ground, and it is not. For example, the five lights do not arise as the five elements, but since the display of the basis was not recognized, the five elements are effectively arise through the non-recognition of the five lights.
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Re: Ground of Being

Postby heart » Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:55 pm

Namdrol wrote:
gad rgyangs wrote:
heart wrote:
"Likewise, no ignorance exist in the ground, yet ignorance naturally arise from the aspect of what manifested as compassion."

/magnus


exactly.



Yes, since that aspect was not recognized, but compassion does not arise as ignorance otherwise, ignorance would be intrinsic to the ground, and it is not. For example, the five lights do not arise as the five elements, but since the display of the basis was not recognized, the five elements are effectively arise through the non-recognition of the five lights.


Exactly, I think that is clear from my quote as well.

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Re: Ground of Being

Postby Malcolm » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:39 pm

heart wrote:
Exactly, I think that is clear from my quote as well.

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yup
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Re: Ground of Being

Postby Malcolm » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:39 pm

heart wrote:
Exactly, I think that is clear from my quote as well.

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Re: Ground of Being

Postby gad rgyangs » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:42 pm

you do realize Magnus that no one here ever said there was ignorance in the ground, right?
Thoroughly tame your own mind.
This is (possibly) the teaching of Buddha.
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Re: Ground of Being

Postby heart » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:30 pm

gad rgyangs wrote:you do realize Magnus that no one here ever said there was ignorance in the ground, right?


Well, what can I say, I must obviously misunderstand what your point is. :smile:

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Re: Ground of Being

Postby gad rgyangs » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:42 pm

heart wrote:
gad rgyangs wrote:you do realize Magnus that no one here ever said there was ignorance in the ground, right?


Well, what can I say, I must obviously misunderstand what your point is. :smile:

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Re: Ground of Being

Postby heart » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:43 pm

gad rgyangs wrote:
heart wrote:
gad rgyangs wrote:you do realize Magnus that no one here ever said there was ignorance in the ground, right?


Well, what can I say, I must obviously misunderstand what your point is. :smile:

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exactly.


So try to express it better then?

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Re: Ground of Being

Postby asunthatneversets » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:10 pm

Wait so what's the controversy?! I know there's no way everyone is agreeing right now... If that were to happen the Internet might violently implode inwards upon itself infinitely, swallowing the universe.
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Re: Ground of Being

Postby Jax » Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:49 pm

Pema Rigdzin wrote:Each and every phenomenon one could ever think of is dependently originated--we impute singular "thingness" onto "things" which are really aggregations of multiple parts and causes and conditions, and each of those parts are likewise aggregations of multiple parts and causes and conditions, ad infinitum... No thing can be found anywhere that exists by the power of its own essence, made up only of itself, with no dependence on anything else. That being the case--that is, since all phenomena depend for their conventional "existence" on our imputing "thingness" and existence onto them--where can one find anything at all to have begin to exist, endured for a time, and then disintegrated?

At the same time, despite this emptiness, where can one find any cause at all that fails to bear a result, and who can be found that doesn't experience samsara as the Buddha said we do?


Very nice Pema! Very well explicated... :bow:
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