I notice that his pronunciation of Sanskrit is a lot closer to the original than most Tibetans (e.g. Vajra instead of "benzar"). Is he atypical in this way or maybe it's just my own limited exposure to lamas?
Also, is his Tibetan pronunciation is more-or-less standard? I think the pronunciation handbook published by SSI said that "ky", "gy" in standard pronunciation were more or less "g" + "y" combined together, but Rinpoche pronounces it like Hanyu Pinyin "j", and going through Tournadre's textbook with recordings, it's just like Rinpoche's pronunciation. However, according to the book "dzogchen" is pronounced with an audible "k" while Rinpoche seems to just pronounce it with a long vowel.
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ChNN's pronunciation
by Sherlock » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:35 pm
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Re: ChNN's pronunciation
by Malcolm » Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:30 pm
Sherlock wrote:I notice that his pronunciation of Sanskrit is a lot closer to the original than most Tibetans (e.g. Vajra instead of "benzar"). Is he atypical in this way or maybe it's just my own limited exposure to lamas?
He studied Sanskrit at Derge, and also has taken a keen interest in languages his whole life.
His pronunciation is Derge dialect from East Tibet.
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Re: ChNN's pronunciation
by mindyourmind » Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:52 pm
Namdrol wrote:Sherlock wrote:I notice that his pronunciation of Sanskrit is a lot closer to the original than most Tibetans (e.g. Vajra instead of "benzar"). Is he atypical in this way or maybe it's just my own limited exposure to lamas?
He studied Sanskrit at Derge, and also has taken a keen interest in languages his whole life.
His pronunciation is Derge dialect from East Tibet.
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Re: ChNN's pronunciation
by Malcolm » Thu Feb 09, 2012 3:00 pm
mindyourmind wrote:Namdrol wrote:Sherlock wrote:I notice that his pronunciation of Sanskrit is a lot closer to the original than most Tibetans (e.g. Vajra instead of "benzar"). Is he atypical in this way or maybe it's just my own limited exposure to lamas?
He studied Sanskrit at Derge, and also has taken a keen interest in languages his whole life.
His pronunciation is Derge dialect from East Tibet.
...with a wonderful tinge of Italian thrown in there somewhere
Yes, that is true.
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look at a grove of various trees and plants."
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Re: ChNN's pronunciation
by padma norbu » Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:08 pm
When I consider that Namkhai Norbu learned Italian and English in such a short time and has accomplished so much, it's extreeeemely impressive. I have heard some other Tibetan teachers trying to speak English and it is very hard to follow, even after being in America for several years. Some, I literally couldn't understand a single sentence.
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Re: ChNN's pronunciation
by heart » Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:19 pm
mindyourmind wrote:Namdrol wrote:Sherlock wrote:I notice that his pronunciation of Sanskrit is a lot closer to the original than most Tibetans (e.g. Vajra instead of "benzar"). Is he atypical in this way or maybe it's just my own limited exposure to lamas?
He studied Sanskrit at Derge, and also has taken a keen interest in languages his whole life.
His pronunciation is Derge dialect from East Tibet.
...with a wonderful tinge of Italian thrown in there somewhere
More than a tinge, his Italian is flawless.
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Re: ChNN's pronunciation
by heart » Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:22 pm
padma norbu wrote:When I consider that Namkhai Norbu learned Italian and English in such a short time and has accomplished so much, it's extreeeemely impressive. I have heard some other Tibetan teachers trying to speak English and it is very hard to follow, even after being in America for several years. Some, I literally couldn't understand a single sentence.
Khandro Rinpoche is the only one I know that is speaking really great English. It for sure makes the message come through easier, she is a knockout.
/magnus
"The direct, hard to understand, subtle field of knowing, the Great Path, is non-conceptual (akalpana), and entirely beyond the grasp of intellectual thought. Divorced from verbal ideation, it is difficult to point out and as difficult to enquire into. It cannot be communicated through words and [therefore] is not within the scope of the neophyte (adikarmika). Nevertheless the path is to be approached through studying scriptures (sutra) of the World-Teacher and following the personal instructions (upadesa) of one's Guru-ji."
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Re: ChNN's pronunciation
by padma norbu » Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:33 pm
Yes, she is fantastic!! I heard about her through this forum and am blown away by her Youtubes.
Padma Norbu: It seems like every time I turn around on this forum people are disagreeing about something, usually rather adamantly and intensely.
Namdrol: That's Buddhism for you. Going strong for 2500 years.
All my topics are right here, they are not hard to find: http://dharmawheel.net/search.php?st=0& ... =firstpost
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Re: ChNN's pronunciation
by Mr. G » Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:34 pm
H.H. Sakya Trizin speaks English incredibly well.
- How foolish you are,
grasping the letter of the text and ignoring its intention!
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Re: ChNN's pronunciation
by Paul » Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:14 pm
heart wrote:padma norbu wrote:When I consider that Namkhai Norbu learned Italian and English in such a short time and has accomplished so much, it's extreeeemely impressive. I have heard some other Tibetan teachers trying to speak English and it is very hard to follow, even after being in America for several years. Some, I literally couldn't understand a single sentence.
Khandro Rinpoche is the only one I know that is speaking really great English. It for sure makes the message come through easier, she is a knockout.
/magnus
Khandro Rinpoche's is indeed excellent. As is Dzongsar Khyentse's english.
Mingyur Rinpoche also has very good english, only very rarely useing a translator for some complex words.
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