ChNN's pronunciation

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ChNN's pronunciation

Postby Sherlock » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:35 pm

I notice that his pronunciation of Sanskrit is a lot closer to the original than most Tibetans (e.g. Vajra instead of "benzar"). Is he atypical in this way or maybe it's just my own limited exposure to lamas?

Also, is his Tibetan pronunciation is more-or-less standard? I think the pronunciation handbook published by SSI said that "ky", "gy" in standard pronunciation were more or less "g" + "y" combined together, but Rinpoche pronounces it like Hanyu Pinyin "j", and going through Tournadre's textbook with recordings, it's just like Rinpoche's pronunciation. However, according to the book "dzogchen" is pronounced with an audible "k" while Rinpoche seems to just pronounce it with a long vowel.

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Re: ChNN's pronunciation

Postby Malcolm » Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:30 pm

Sherlock wrote:I notice that his pronunciation of Sanskrit is a lot closer to the original than most Tibetans (e.g. Vajra instead of "benzar"). Is he atypical in this way or maybe it's just my own limited exposure to lamas?


He studied Sanskrit at Derge, and also has taken a keen interest in languages his whole life.

His pronunciation is Derge dialect from East Tibet.
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Re: ChNN's pronunciation

Postby mindyourmind » Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:52 pm

Namdrol wrote:
Sherlock wrote:I notice that his pronunciation of Sanskrit is a lot closer to the original than most Tibetans (e.g. Vajra instead of "benzar"). Is he atypical in this way or maybe it's just my own limited exposure to lamas?


He studied Sanskrit at Derge, and also has taken a keen interest in languages his whole life.

His pronunciation is Derge dialect from East Tibet.


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Re: ChNN's pronunciation

Postby Malcolm » Thu Feb 09, 2012 3:00 pm

mindyourmind wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
Sherlock wrote:I notice that his pronunciation of Sanskrit is a lot closer to the original than most Tibetans (e.g. Vajra instead of "benzar"). Is he atypical in this way or maybe it's just my own limited exposure to lamas?


He studied Sanskrit at Derge, and also has taken a keen interest in languages his whole life.

His pronunciation is Derge dialect from East Tibet.


...with a wonderful tinge of Italian thrown in there somewhere :namaste:



Yes, that is true.
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Re: ChNN's pronunciation

Postby padma norbu » Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:08 pm

When I consider that Namkhai Norbu learned Italian and English in such a short time and has accomplished so much, it's extreeeemely impressive. I have heard some other Tibetan teachers trying to speak English and it is very hard to follow, even after being in America for several years. Some, I literally couldn't understand a single sentence.
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Re: ChNN's pronunciation

Postby heart » Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:19 pm

mindyourmind wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
Sherlock wrote:I notice that his pronunciation of Sanskrit is a lot closer to the original than most Tibetans (e.g. Vajra instead of "benzar"). Is he atypical in this way or maybe it's just my own limited exposure to lamas?


He studied Sanskrit at Derge, and also has taken a keen interest in languages his whole life.

His pronunciation is Derge dialect from East Tibet.


...with a wonderful tinge of Italian thrown in there somewhere :namaste:


More than a tinge, his Italian is flawless.

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Re: ChNN's pronunciation

Postby heart » Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:22 pm

padma norbu wrote:When I consider that Namkhai Norbu learned Italian and English in such a short time and has accomplished so much, it's extreeeemely impressive. I have heard some other Tibetan teachers trying to speak English and it is very hard to follow, even after being in America for several years. Some, I literally couldn't understand a single sentence.


Khandro Rinpoche is the only one I know that is speaking really great English. It for sure makes the message come through easier, she is a knockout.

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"To reject practice by saying, 'it is conceptual!' is the path of fools. A tendency of the inexperienced and something to be avoided."
- Longchenpa

"Even though you have recognized your essence, if you do not get accustomed to it,
You will be carried away by the enemy of thoughts, like a small child in a battle field.
So long as you are not free from the limitations of accepting and rejecting,
That long will you not recognize the view of the innermost secret heart-essence."

-Longchenpa

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Re: ChNN's pronunciation

Postby padma norbu » Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:33 pm

Yes, she is fantastic!! I heard about her through this forum and am blown away by her Youtubes.
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Re: ChNN's pronunciation

Postby Mr. G » Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:34 pm

H.H. Sakya Trizin speaks English incredibly well.
    How foolish you are,
    grasping the letter of the text and ignoring its intention!
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Re: ChNN's pronunciation

Postby Paul » Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:14 pm

heart wrote:
padma norbu wrote:When I consider that Namkhai Norbu learned Italian and English in such a short time and has accomplished so much, it's extreeeemely impressive. I have heard some other Tibetan teachers trying to speak English and it is very hard to follow, even after being in America for several years. Some, I literally couldn't understand a single sentence.


Khandro Rinpoche is the only one I know that is speaking really great English. It for sure makes the message come through easier, she is a knockout.

/magnus


Khandro Rinpoche's is indeed excellent. As is Dzongsar Khyentse's english.

Mingyur Rinpoche also has very good english, only very rarely useing a translator for some complex words.
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