Transmission on the Internet

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Re: Transmission on the Internet

Postby padma norbu » Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:45 pm

Mr. G wrote:
dcbz wrote:If you are serious about the practice and really want these things to be better, please join the community and help. We're all dancing as fast as we can ....... honestly this is a wonderful group of people trying so very hard to do things.


The majority of us are members and appreciate all that has been done for the community. However, if the community wants to be the vanguard in having online teachings of high quality, we should all do our best to help make this happen and not be complacent.


Yeah, I'm trying to help right now by pointing out that it's not a problem that needs more money thrown at it, but probably less. If Hoodstream can broadcast illegally to tens of thousands consistently, night after night, via Ustream without problems and for free, then certainly Namkhai Norbu could broadcast legal activities without a problem. Use DC donations for more important things like not losing the Conway property--and I don't mean worldwide broadcasts are less important than a single piece of property, but if they can be broadcast cheaper and more efficiently, then there are better ways to spend that money.

Less money, less effort dancing around trying to fix problems. Win/win situation here. Everyone knows this sort of thing is way too expensive to maintain; that's why we have so many professional services who specialize in this sort of thing for free or cheaper, such as Ustream, Justin.tv, Livestream, Openoffice, etc. Their whole business is based around delivering such possibility efficiently and affordably.
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Re: Transmission on the Internet

Postby Dechen Norbu » Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:57 pm

Mr. G wrote:
dcbz wrote:If you are serious about the practice and really want these things to be better, please join the community and help. We're all dancing as fast as we can ....... honestly this is a wonderful group of people trying so very hard to do things.


The majority of us are members and appreciate all that has been done for the community. However, if the community wants to be the vanguard in having online teachings of high quality, we should all do our best to help make this happen and not be complacent.

Agree.
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Re: Transmission on the Internet

Postby Mr. G » Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:13 pm

Audio quality was excellent today. I didn't get a chance to watch the video since I was at work though.

Really great teachings today too. :bow:
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Re: Transmission on the Internet

Postby arsent » Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:29 pm

As for me, video was much more stable today, sometimes streaming paused, but I had only one drop of stream - and the same time website was not responding.
If they have DSL connection in the gar - it quality and stability could be related to wet or dry weather :smile:
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Re: Transmission on the Internet

Postby Dronma » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:40 pm

Hello everybody! :group:
I am here because of the post in Norbunet... :smile:
Yes, we all had poor connection yesterday but this does not happen often lately - at least in audio which is usually very stable.
It reminded me the first years of webcast streaming - 2006. We were never sure if we are going to get the whole transmission or not.... It is always exciting to adjust with circumstances! :rolling:
The good news now... Rinpoche will transmit again the Donwang tomorrow, if connection will permit.
Good luck to all of us!!! :namaste:
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Re: Transmission on the Internet

Postby Mr. G » Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:10 pm

Welcome Dronma! :smile:
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Re: Transmission on the Internet

Postby Sönam » Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:56 pm

received that ...

the issue the webcast had these days are related to the poor internet
connection at the Gar (streaming point).

The webcast system relies on a series of server in US and in Europe and is
able to stream in high quality video to over 4000+ user (being part of one
of the biggest CDN).

Unfortunately if the source of the stream has a poor connection, the
infrastructure simply can't do much about it but to transmit what it
receives.

We're more than happy to give more details about how the system works and
the intrinsic challenges of webcasting (that also explain why we have a
replay service).
Meanwhile the best approach to solve these kind of problems is to help the
Gars develop their network infrastructure (internet connection).


All the best,

Luigi Ottaviani
Webcast Team
Support: streaming@ylon.net


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Re: Transmission on the Internet

Postby blackpath » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:47 pm

Sönam wrote:received that ...

the issue the webcast had these days are related to the poor internet
connection at the Gar (streaming point).

The webcast system relies on a series of server in US and in Europe and is
able to stream in high quality video to over 4000+ user (being part of one
of the biggest CDN).

Unfortunately if the source of the stream has a poor connection, the
infrastructure simply can't do much about it but to transmit what it
receives.

We're more than happy to give more details about how the system works and
the intrinsic challenges of webcasting (that also explain why we have a
replay service).
Meanwhile the best approach to solve these kind of problems is to help the
Gars develop their network infrastructure (internet connection).


All the best,

Luigi Ottaviani
Webcast Team
Support: streaming@ylon.net


Sönam


Mr. Ottaviani is pointing out the exact right approach to take. One follows the Theory of Constraints and addresses the root cause of the most serious constraint.

Now, aside from that, there are a couple of things can be done to insure the best conditions on the receiving end.
[1] Use a shielded ethernet cable from your internet to your computer during the broadcast. Disable your wireless and make sure you are connecting through the ethernet cable only.
[2] Disable automated backup programs like Carbonite during the broadcast, and close other apps that might create network traffic like Skype, IM programs, and the like.
[3] If you share an internet connection in your home, make sure no one is watching Netflix, running a peer-to-peer file program, online gaming, or the like.

Following these precautions should pare down the most common problems that could occur on your end.
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Re: Transmission on the Internet

Postby Mr. G » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:20 am

blackpath wrote:
Mr. Ottaviani is pointing out the exact right approach to take. One follows the Theory of Constraints and addresses the root cause of the most serious constraint.


What exactly is his approach? I didn't see it mentioned. I mean of course if it's a source issue at the Gar/gakyil, then that end must be improved. But what specific steps are being taken? How about the steps i offered in this post:

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=6923&start=80#p83074

Now, aside from that, there are a couple of things can be done to insure the best conditions on the receiving end.
[1] Use a shielded ethernet cable from your internet to your computer during the broadcast. Disable your wireless and make sure you are connecting through the ethernet cable only.
[2] Disable automated backup programs like Carbonite during the broadcast, and close other apps that might create network traffic like Skype, IM programs, and the like.
[3] If you share an internet connection in your home, make sure no one is watching Netflix, running a peer-to-peer file program, online gaming, or the like.

Following these precautions should pare down the most common problems that could occur on your end.


This is all obvious advice, but these are just band aids. And in all honesty, I should be able to run my computer at full blast and multiple applications running with no interruption or latency issues at all when a webcast is in play.
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Re: Transmission on the Internet

Postby arsent » Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:44 am

Mr. Ottaviani is pointing out the exact right approach to take. One follows the Theory of Constraints and addresses the root cause of the most serious constraint.

Now, aside from that, there are a couple of things can be done to insure the best conditions on the receiving end.
[1] Use a shielded ethernet cable from your internet to your computer during the broadcast. Disable your wireless and make sure you are connecting through the ethernet cable only.
[2] Disable automated backup programs like Carbonite during the broadcast, and close other apps that might create network traffic like Skype, IM programs, and the like.
[3] If you share an internet connection in your home, make sure no one is watching Netflix, running a peer-to-peer file program, online gaming, or the like.

Following these precautions should pare down the most common problems that could occur on your end.

This advises can improve somehow transmission a bit but will not resolve those issues.
If a lot of people, all over the world had the same issues at the same time - the roots of problems is not in hardware or software on the consumer ,but on producer side.
I am actually watching all webcasts on my HTC EVO 3D phone - highend dual core phone, tuned up and running the latest Andorid OS on it- but the issue is still there ..
As I mentioned in my post to Norbunet, the problem could be solved by running few tests in place before actual transmission and trying to resolve the bottlenecks problem if found.
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Re: Transmission on the Internet

Postby arsent » Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:52 pm

Today's quality was great, almost no stops of video and audio! :thumbsup:
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Re: Transmission on the Internet

Postby Mr. G » Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:02 pm

I didn't get a chance to try video, but audio was great here too!
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