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karmic cause of schizophrenia

Postby tamdrin » Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:26 am

I asked Ven Pesala what the karmic cause of schizophrenia was and he said that drug and alchohol use was the cause. In certain situations it could apparently manifest in the same life. Do any of you know or have you seen reference in Buddha's teachings as to what can be the cause of mental illness?

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Re: karmic cause of schizophrenia

Postby Viscid » Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:07 am

Trying to convince yourself that [your?] schizophrenia is due to Karma doesn't sound very healthy.
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Re: karmic cause of schizophrenia

Postby Ben » Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:42 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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Re: karmic cause of schizophrenia

Postby tamdrin » Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:50 am

This thread is not neccesarily about me. It is supposed to be a general thread in which the Buddhists teachings which are supposed to derive from the Buddha's omniscience point out the specific causes of various illness' so that people can be treated more than at the surface level. Theoretically everything is caused by karma. If one understands how ce rtan causes brought about certain effects than one can in effect purify those karma's thus preventing present and future illness of all sorts..

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In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: karmic cause of schizophrenia

Postby Ben » Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:07 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: karmic cause of schizophrenia

Postby tamdrin » Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:23 am

so the results of karma exactly are unknown.. but they are known to the Buddha. But we are taught, in Buddhism, that virtuous deeds bring happiness, non virtuous bring suffering. That is some knowledge of karma, so I think that Buddhists in fact are supposed to ponder karma in the sense that they must know what virtue is and what non virtue also is. That is knowledge of karma.. Also if the Buddha was omniscient why wouldn't he have pointed out what karma's cause mental illness or retardation so that people could avoid such actions which would produce suffering results... If the Buddha was omniscient seems like he should have been able to tell people while you know if you smoke you may get cancer..

-Everything not being a product of karma is a concept that is new to me. My teacher taught that everything is from past karma (at least that is how I interpreted it)...

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Re: karmic cause of schizophrenia

Postby Alex123 » Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:54 am

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Only the inference of a cause from its effect is a valid inference. But a potential cause giving rise to its potential effect may always be blocked by secondary conditions.

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Re: karmic cause of schizophrenia

Postby Sylvester » Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:48 am

I don't think it is necessary to introduce any resort to "inherent existence".

Vedana is dependant on phassa. No salayatana means no phassa. Post-nibbana-without-residue there are no salayatanas.

I suppose that is why the Commentaries refer to the old kamma being made "ahosi".

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Postby Annapurna » Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:02 am

Here is a Dharma talk by Venerable Ledi Sayādaw:


In the Book of the Eights of the Gradual Sayings, the Buddha teaches:

“Monks, drinking intoxicants, if done frequently or habitually, leads to rebirth in hell, rebirth as an animal or as a hungry ghost. At the very least, the result of this evil deed when born as a human being is that one becomes a mad person.”

Taking intoxicants, being unwholesome kamma, has two evil consequences: unfortunate rebirth in the future, and bad consequences in the present life. This means suffering in hell and long term bad effects in the present life. So the effect of taking intoxicants or drugs is quite serious as it leads to the four states of misery: hell, animals, ghosts, and demons.

The present evil effect, among others, is at least becoming mad. Among the consequences of insanity are neurosis, paranoia, schizophrenia, psychosis, etc. So the present results are also serious, just like future evil rebirths.

Why do intoxicants cause rebirth in hell in future lives? The reason is that drinking alcohol and taking drugs promotes fresh evil kamma. Evil kamma leads to hell. Moreover, by these evil deeds, the door of opportunity is open for past evil kammas to give appropriate effects. Thus one suffers in hell. Please note that everyone has done evil deeds in their previous existences so, at present, good deeds should be done.
New Evil Kamma

Taking intoxicants and non-medicinal drugs means making fresh evil kamma because it promotes greed, hatred, and delusion. It also supports wrong views, which urge one to do new evil kammas. It sustains and develops the five hindrances such as lust, anger, dullness, restlessness, and doubt. Intoxicants damage genes and chromosomes. They also burn the mind and consciousness. So taking intoxicants affects the mental realm, which has profound significance. Evil bodily and vocal acts follow as a result of drunkenness. Killing, lying, abusing, etc., are the usual results of taking alcohol.

Drunkards always do bodily, vocal, and mental misdeeds, which are the ten evil kammas. So taking alcohol increases daily the burden of future suffering in hell, and the burden of evil and guilt. There is little doubt that a drunkard will be reborn in one of the lower realms when he dies, since he accumulates evil kamma every day. He is demented in the present life. For countless lives he does other serious unwholesome kamma. So with counteractive kamma of this type, when he dies, he suffers in the lower realms. His burden of evil kamma is heavy. His misbehaviour is serious. So fresh evil deeds appear.
Past Evil Deeds

In past lives one has already done many kinds of evils while wandering in the rounds of existence, as one seldom hears the true Dhamma. These precious chances are very rare. Meeting Noble Ones is very rare, possible only once in a thousand or ten thousand existences. In past lives one did various evils and misdeeds in thought, speech, and deed. Lives of crime, guilt, and evil lead to the realms of suffering. The likelihood of this result is increased by drinking alcohol. The breaking of this moral precept means supporting other past evil deeds that one has already done. Past evil deeds resemble robbers and murderers who stay near a village to commit crimes. Transgression of this precept gives impetus to evil deeds: past, present, or future. So the evil kamma of taking alcohol resembles receivers of stolen goods who live in the village. Robbers get their chance due to the receivers of stolen goods. Villages are destroyed by them.

Likewise, as long as the evil of taking intoxicants remains, there will be chances for the previous evil deeds to mature. People have to take rebirth in various hells when past misdeeds mature. Everyone has also done some good deeds in their past lives, but these good deeds have no chance to mature due to the present evil kamma. If one dies without abandoning this evil, one will not escape from the results of the past evil kamma. Certainly one will suffer in hell. In this sense, drinking alcohol certainly brings about hell in the next life. Because serious past evil kamma take their chance, one reaches Roruva hell.

More here:

http://www.aimwell.org/Books/Ledi/I...ntoxicants.html
http://www.schmuckzauberei.blogspot.com/

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Re: karmic cause of schizophrenia

Postby PeterB » Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:37 am

So if we put some of this together we find ;

That the use of intoxicants can lead to hellish states, whether we view this in terms of this life or beyond this life. But that,
The specific causes of any condition in an individual case should not be a cause of conjecture. (Acintita Sutta ) and that
Not all conditions arise from Kamma (Sivaka Sutta ).

We also learn that we should take responsibility for our response to our present condition, even though we do not indulge in conjecture about its cause. In oneself or others.

Taking responsibility in the case of schizophrenia includes seeking proper medical care.

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Re: karmic cause of schizophrenia

Postby Sylvester » Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:58 am

A giant Sadhu! to that.


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