ChNNR Dorje Drolo retreat

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Re: ChNNR Dorje Drolo retreat

Postby heart » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:13 pm

Namdrol wrote:
heart wrote:
Thank you Namdrol! So from the the longer and shorter sadhanas and activity manuals Rinpoche is giving the essence of the concise daily practice?

/magnus


This another sadhana, called the rgyun khyer, page 133-135. This is what he again gave the short lung for today.

Then of course, one can do it in the short thun, etc., in all the ways rinpoche mentioned.


Thank you again Namdrol!

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Re: ChNNR Dorje Drolo retreat

Postby Pema Rigdzin » Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:49 am

Sherlock wrote:So which lungs did Rinpoche just give besides the usual ones from the tun book?

Odzer Chenma
Mandarava
Korwa Tongtrug
Gomadevi
Chod
Naga practice
Vajrapani

Did I miss any?


Also these:
Tara
Red Garuda
Dorje Kotrab and mantras for reversing inauspicious days
Purification of the 6 lokas
25 spaces of Samantabhadra
Shitro
Lung for empowering lungta and namkha
Invocation of the lamp
Sang
Serkyem to the 8 classes

That's all I can remember for sure.
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Re: ChNNR Dorje Drolo retreat

Postby Pero » Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:21 am

alpha wrote:It seems that the connection died completely...

I was unable to listen from work (for the first 45 min, then I just gave up trying). Did anyone else have a problem yesterday? I wasn't sure if there's no connection or if it's somehow blocked at work (the webcast page opened just fine though).
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Re: ChNNR Dorje Drolo retreat

Postby ratna » Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:26 am

I had more or less perfect connection the whole time yesterday.

Pero wrote:
alpha wrote:It seems that the connection died completely...

I was unable to listen from work (for the first 45 min, then I just gave up trying). Did anyone else have a problem yesterday? I wasn't sure if there's no connection or if it's somehow blocked at work (the webcast page opened just fine though).
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Re: ChNNR Dorje Drolo retreat

Postby simhanada » Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:50 am

Pero wrote:
alpha wrote:It seems that the connection died completely...

I was unable to listen from work (for the first 45 min, then I just gave up trying). Did anyone else have a problem yesterday? I wasn't sure if there's no connection or if it's somehow blocked at work (the webcast page opened just fine though).


my connection was fine for the most part, no dropouts but a little stalling but then I'm on a mobile network which is not always great. I usually can't listen at work as some streaming stuff doesn't work.
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Re: ChNNR Dorje Drolo retreat

Postby Sönam » Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:08 am

Pero wrote:
alpha wrote:It seems that the connection died completely...

I was unable to listen from work (for the first 45 min, then I just gave up trying). Did anyone else have a problem yesterday? I wasn't sure if there's no connection or if it's somehow blocked at work (the webcast page opened just fine though).


Quite perfect yesterday ...

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Re: ChNNR Dorje Drolo retreat

Postby alpha » Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:19 am

well...what i meant was that the connection during Ganapuja dropped.Just after Namkha i think.It never recovered unfortunately.My internet connection was fine though...It could have been a local problem.

But the connection during teaching was perfect.
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Re: ChNNR Dorje Drolo retreat

Postby Pero » Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:24 pm

Thanks. Guess it was some kind of block at work then.
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Re: ChNNR Dorje Drolo retreat

Postby alpha » Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:50 pm

Can someone Pm me with a brief summary of the anuyoga style Dorje Drollo given in the second day?

I got lost at the point where Rinpoche started to mention the action mantra and just before blue Hung or the 3 Hung's.And how do you conclude the practice?He doenst say.

And in this short version are we visualizing the mantra as he explained before when he said that we can do the practice of Dorje Drollo like in Tun when we replace Guru Thragpur?

Also in the 3rd day i didnt understand a word he said when he started to explain the very esential practice with the Hung in the Ati style.There was lots of Dzogchen jargon in there and i got completely lost.What are you supposed to do in this practice?

I would really appreciate it .
Thanks.
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Re: ChNNR Dorje Drolo retreat

Postby Malcolm » Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:06 pm

alpha wrote:Can someone Pm me with a brief summary of the anuyoga style Dorje Drollo given in the second day?

I got lost at the point where Rinpoche started to mention the action mantra and just before blue Hung or the 3 Hung's.And how do you conclude the practice?He doenst say.

And in this short version are we visualizing the mantra as he explained before when he said that we can do the practice of Dorje Drollo like in Tun when we replace Guru Thragpur?

Also in the 3rd day i didnt understand a word he said when he started to explain the very esential practice with the Hung in the Ati style.There was lots of Dzogchen jargon in there and i got completely lost.What are you supposed to do in this practice?

I would really appreciate it .
Thanks.



Just put it in the short or medium thuns, substituting it for Dragphur.

I will pm you seperately on the other.
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Re: ChNNR Dorje Drolo retreat

Postby alpha » Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:08 pm

Thank you very much Namdrol
I appreciate it.
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Re: ChNNR Dorje Drolo retreat

Postby padma norbu » Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:27 pm

I don't understand the pronunciation of these two based on the spelling: Dragphur and Drolo. Namkhai Norbu seems to shift the "r" to a different location, similar to the way Brett Favre's last name is pronouced "Farv" which is clearly transposing the "v" and "r".
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Re: ChNNR Dorje Drolo retreat

Postby Malcolm » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:10 pm

padma norbu wrote:I don't understand the pronunciation of these two based on the spelling: Dragphur and Drolo. Namkhai Norbu seems to shift the "r" to a different location, similar to the way Brett Favre's last name is pronouced "Farv" which is clearly transposing the "v" and "r".

གྲོ་བོ་ལོཏ is pronounced:

drōlöt

Elongate the first ō to double the length. So it is not "dro wo" as pronounced in some other traditions. ChNN clearly explained that in this case, the 'wo' (བོ) is merely elongating the o sound and the 'w' part is elided in pronunciation.

Second o has an umlaut, this is a feature of Tibetan prounciation of o when there is a final consonant that sounds to us like it has a 'r' sound in it, but it doesn't.
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Re: ChNNR Dorje Drolo retreat

Postby padma norbu » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:13 pm

I just sounds like he's saying "Torlay" to me. Dorje Torlay. Is that right?

I'm asking because the mantra has "guru grovolod" in it and I know it's not going to be easy to decipher by listening to the replay.
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Re: ChNNR Dorje Drolo retreat

Postby MrDistracted » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:29 pm

Hi

The 'grovolod' is a transliteration from the tibetan, phonetically it is different.
Namdrol's post above is, as usual, spot on.
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Re: ChNNR Dorje Drolo retreat

Postby daelm » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:30 pm

Namdrol wrote:
alpha wrote:Can someone Pm me with a brief summary of the anuyoga style Dorje Drollo given in the second day?

I got lost at the point where Rinpoche started to mention the action mantra and just before blue Hung or the 3 Hung's.And how do you conclude the practice?He doenst say.

And in this short version are we visualizing the mantra as he explained before when he said that we can do the practice of Dorje Drollo like in Tun when we replace Guru Thragpur?

Also in the 3rd day i didnt understand a word he said when he started to explain the very esential practice with the Hung in the Ati style.There was lots of Dzogchen jargon in there and i got completely lost.What are you supposed to do in this practice?

I would really appreciate it .
Thanks.


Just put it in the short or medium thuns, substituting it for Dragphur.

I will pm you seperately on the other.





please send me that pm too or better, email. :)

thanks


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Re: ChNNR Dorje Drolo retreat

Postby Malcolm » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:36 pm

padma norbu wrote:I just sounds like he's saying "Torlay" to me. Dorje Torlay. Is that right?

I'm asking because the mantra has "guru grovolod" in it and I know it's not going to be easy to decipher by listening to the replay.



No,he is saying Dorje Drolö.
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Re: ChNNR Dorje Drolo retreat

Postby Dronma » Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:09 pm

Namdrol wrote:drōlöt

Elongate the first ō to double the length. So it is not "dro wo" as pronounced in some other traditions. ChNN clearly explained that in this case, the 'wo' (བོ) is merely elongating the o sound and the 'w' part is elided in pronunciation.

Second o has an umlaut, this is a feature of Tibetan prounciation of o when there is a final consonant that sounds to us like it has a 'r' sound in it, but it doesn't.


I agree with Namdrol. The pronunciation is exactly like this!
The same confusion comes out very often when we try to pronounce correctly some Tibetan words. Not to mention there are major varieties on the way of pronunciation in between the different regions of Tibet. :applause:
For example, a very common mis-pronunciation is of the seed syllable of the Padma family: HRI.
Rinpoche has a special way to say it. But people who have no idea about Tibetan language, they often pronounce it SHRI which in fact is another Tibetan word with totally different meaning and spelling! Even though Rinpoche gave detailed explanation about this a long time ago, I am still hearing in retreats some people say it loudly: SsssHriii..... :tantrum:
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Re: ChNNR Dorje Drolo retreat

Postby Fa Dao » Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:23 pm

Rinpoche is always saying that it is important to know the meaning/purpose of doing a particular practice. So, while I caught the part on how to do it I did not catch the part on the why. I feel a strong connection to this practice and have very little idea what its for other than the obvious basic that it is similar to Guru Tragphur and Simhamukha for clearing obstacles. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: ChNNR Dorje Drolo retreat

Postby Mr. G » Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:45 pm

padma norbu wrote:I know it's not going to be easy to decipher by listening to the replay.


Actually, I think you'll get it...he was pretty clear on the audio.
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