Did I Receive Transmission?

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Re: Did I Receive Transmission?

Postby Sherab Dorje » Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:07 am

Dear Lhug-Pa,

Chill out, you are not going to vajra hell (yet), but if you keep tormenting yourself you may just be capable of reproducing it in your mental continuim during this lifetime.

Be cool. Everyhing is perfect!
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Re: Did I Receive Transmission?

Postby Sönam » Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:39 am

gregkavarnos wrote:but if you keep tormenting yourself you may just be capable of reproducing it in your mental continuim during this lifetime.


... and project it to the next one if you still doing so at the end of this one. Then it will become vajra hell!

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Re: Did I Receive Transmission?

Postby Lhug-Pa » Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:59 am

True indeed.

Thanks Gregkavarnos and Sönam

The Gnostic Egyptian Tarot (and a more updated version than as seen in my Sig) is found here:

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Oh wait, you said my Avatar, not my signature.

Can't find the web-source at the moment, although here's a similar picture (right-click to see its web-source):


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Notice how the Tibetan-Letters are assigned to different Elements in the two pictures.
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Re: Did I Receive Transmission?

Postby Lhug-Pa » Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:14 am

Dechen Norbu wrote:Lhug-pa,

Probably that friend of yours is a bit :crazy:
Just forget the whole thing. He was playing the master and your were gullible enough to fall for it.


Well, it's not that I fell for anything so much; but that I didn't even have a good idea of what Transmission really is back then. I think that I'd thought that this friend was simply attempting to provide a form of help that doesn't include any type of specific commitment. Meaning that I wasn't like: "Yes great "Lama __________", please give me the Transmission so that I can devote myself to Guru Yoga and continue to rest in the Natural State, and perform Ganapuja regularly to restore Samaya if I break it." or something like that.

And like I'd said, I don't even remember how it really went down that day. Now that I think about it more, I might have even refused to take part in what he (might have) offered that day; because I specifically remember not even really trusting the guy a whole lot.

Needless to say, mystery solved lol. There was obviously no Samaya, as you guys have been saying. :consoling:


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Re: Did I Receive Transmission?

Postby Lhug-Pa » Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:18 am

Another very important question:


What if someone were to make a promise to the Adi-Buddha alone at home by themselves, and was not able to keep their promise? :crying:

This obviously would not be good karma for the mental continuum. :oops:


But would it have the same ramifications as breaking Samaya (for example: the whole having only three-years to purify it rule) ?

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Re: Did I Receive Transmission?

Postby Sherab Dorje » Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:42 am

Lhug-Pa wrote:What if someone were to make a promise to the Adi-Buddha alone at home by themselves, and was not able to keep their promise?
The Adi-Buddha is your mind, the promise is made only to yourself. You wanna stop the self flaggelation at some point in time and get on with practicing?
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Re: Did I Receive Transmission?

Postby Lhug-Pa » Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:19 am

You're right. Great idea. :idea:

Might as well do what is possible to purify it; because if I do, then there's at least a chance of purifying it. :heart:

But if I don't, then there is no chance of purifying it. :toilet:

Best to go with the former, obviously. :bow:

Thanks Gregkavarnos. :namaste:
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Re: Did I Receive Transmission?

Postby White Lotus » Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:07 pm

your natural state is the only samaya, you cannot lose it, enter it or leave it... it is always with you from the day of birth to the day of death... just this normal natural state. no fireworks.

you have always had sponteneously complete transmission by virtue of always being in this natural state of just living. just living is the natural state.

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Re: Did I Receive Transmission?

Postby Pero » Sun Nov 13, 2011 4:53 pm

White Lotus wrote:your natural state is the only samaya, you cannot lose it, enter it or leave it... it is always with you from the day of birth to the day of death... just this normal natural state. no fireworks.

you have always had sponteneously complete transmission by virtue of always being in this natural state of just living. just living is the natural state.

best wishes, Tom.

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Re: Did I Receive Transmission?

Postby Tilopa » Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:31 pm

White Lotus wrote:your natural state is the only samaya, you cannot lose it, enter it or leave it... it is always with you from the day of birth to the day of death... just this normal natural state. no fireworks. you have always had sponteneously complete transmission by virtue of always being in this natural state of just living. just living is the natural state.

Yeah right. No suffering, no cause, no cessation, no path, no guru, no practice. Just relax and do nothing you're already enlightened. Or something like that. :zzz:
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Re: Did I Receive Transmission?

Postby White Lotus » Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:11 pm

your basic nature is enlightenment, it always has been. of course the ego hates this and it always wants 'something' to abide/rest in, to hang onto.

there is no enlightenment, nothing at all to worry about... and this paradoxically when known is enlightenment.

your natural state is enlightenment, just as it is. can you let go of your ambitions, and just accept this normal old life. its like a glass of water... tasteless.

not a thing to worry about, just relax.

best wishes, Tom.
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Re: Did I Receive Transmission?

Postby Paul » Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:03 pm

White Lotus wrote:your basic nature is enlightenment, it always has been. of course the ego hates this and it always wants 'something' to abide/rest in, to hang onto.

there is no enlightenment, nothing at all to worry about... and this paradoxically when known is enlightenment.

your natural state is enlightenment, just as it is. can you let go of your ambitions, and just accept this normal old life. its like a glass of water... tasteless.

not a thing to worry about, just relax.

best wishes, Tom.


You keep going on about this. This is only the dzogchen method of shamatha. It is absolutely not the method of dzogchen vipashyana. You're just stuck in the alaya, an entirely samsaric state - it isn't the nature of mind at all.
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All that you take pleasure in will strengthen the awakened state.
With such a confidence, empowered by the regal state of natural mind,
The training now is simply this: lets your six senses be at ease and free." - Princess Parani
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Re: Did I Receive Transmission?

Postby mint » Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:36 pm

Paul wrote:
White Lotus wrote:your basic nature is enlightenment, it always has been. of course the ego hates this and it always wants 'something' to abide/rest in, to hang onto.

there is no enlightenment, nothing at all to worry about... and this paradoxically when known is enlightenment.

your natural state is enlightenment, just as it is. can you let go of your ambitions, and just accept this normal old life. its like a glass of water... tasteless.

not a thing to worry about, just relax.

best wishes, Tom.


You keep going on about this. This is only the dzogchen method of shamatha. It is absolutely not the method of dzogchen vipashyana. You're just stuck in the alaya, an entirely samsaric state - it isn't the nature of mind at all.


How did you infer that he was tlaking about the Dzogchen method of Shamatha based on what he said?? I don't even know what that is...but still, I thought he was confusing Dzogchen with Dogen.
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Re: Did I Receive Transmission?

Postby Paul » Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:45 pm

mint wrote:
Paul wrote:
White Lotus wrote:your basic nature is enlightenment, it always has been. of course the ego hates this and it always wants 'something' to abide/rest in, to hang onto.

there is no enlightenment, nothing at all to worry about... and this paradoxically when known is enlightenment.

your natural state is enlightenment, just as it is. can you let go of your ambitions, and just accept this normal old life. its like a glass of water... tasteless.

not a thing to worry about, just relax.

best wishes, Tom.


You keep going on about this. This is only the dzogchen method of shamatha. It is absolutely not the method of dzogchen vipashyana. You're just stuck in the alaya, an entirely samsaric state - it isn't the nature of mind at all.


How did you infer that he was tlaking about the Dzogchen method of Shamatha based on what he said?? I don't even know what that is...but still, I thought he was confusing Dzogchen with Dogen.


Because he's talking about one of the preliminaries to dzogchen which can be used to jump to the recognition of rigpa.
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All that you take pleasure in will strengthen the awakened state.
With such a confidence, empowered by the regal state of natural mind,
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Re: Did I Receive Transmission?

Postby padma norbu » Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:37 pm

Paul wrote:
mint wrote:How did you infer that he was tlaking about the Dzogchen method of Shamatha based on what he said?? I don't even know what that is...but still, I thought he was confusing Dzogchen with Dogen.


Because he's talking about one of the preliminaries to dzogchen which can be used to jump to the recognition of rigpa.


So... what is dzogchen vipashyana? I found this, but it says nothing:

http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Vipashyana
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Re: Did I Receive Transmission?

Postby White Lotus » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:43 pm

the one who speaks of dzogchen vipassana and shamatha does not realize that these are only expedients to occupy the distracted mind of the student and are in fact nothing to do with dzogpa chenpo which has no path and no method whatsoever. read the kunjied gyalpo (i reccomend professor neumayer's translation).

this 'i am', just as it is will always be and always has been, regardless of whether an ego i is perceived or not, regardless of whether subjective buddha nature has ceased or not. i am... emptiness. there is no i to be an am, nor am to be an i, and yet conventionally the i am is experienced. it is our natural state... empty.

spontaneously complete... i am.

best wishes, Tom.
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Re: Did I Receive Transmission?

Postby Paul » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:55 pm

padma norbu wrote:
Paul wrote:
mint wrote:How did you infer that he was tlaking about the Dzogchen method of Shamatha based on what he said?? I don't even know what that is...but still, I thought he was confusing Dzogchen with Dogen.


Because he's talking about one of the preliminaries to dzogchen which can be used to jump to the recognition of rigpa.


So... what is dzogchen vipashyana? I found this, but it says nothing:

http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Vipashyana


Methods for recognising rigpa. There are many different ones.
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Re: Did I Receive Transmission?

Postby Lhug-Pa » Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:00 pm

White Lotus

Maybe that works for you, and I hope that it does; however most of us do need accumulation of Merit & Wisdom and various Skillful Means (but from the Dzogchen View), such as say Direct Introduction to the Natural State (by a qualified Lama), Guru Yoga, Mantra, Ganapuja, Sexual-Transmutation/Integration of physical movement (Yantra Yoga, Tsa-Lung, Pranayama, Karmamudra, etc.), Rushen, Semdzin, and sitting Meditation to develop Shamatha and Vipassana, etc.

Speaking of which, Padma Norbu, in Appendix One of The Crystal, Chögyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche wrote that in Dzogchen:

Shamatha/Shiné/Zhiné is referred to as: NEPA

Vipassana/Lhagthong is referred to as: MIGYURWA


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Re: Did I Receive Transmission?

Postby padma norbu » Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:25 pm

Paul wrote:Methods for recognising rigpa. There are many different ones.

Ah, thanks. I didn't realize these fell under 'vipashyana.'

Lhug-Pa wrote:Speaking of which, Padma Norbu, in Appendix One of The Crystal, Chögyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche wrote that in Dzogchen:

Shamatha/Shiné/Zhiné is referred to as: NEPA

Vipassana/Lhagthong is referred to as: MIGYURWA


Best Regards


Thanks, but these terms don't mean anything to me. I know very little Tibetan. :smile:
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Re: Did I Receive Transmission?

Postby Pero » Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:04 pm

White Lotus wrote:the one who speaks of dzogchen vipassana and shamatha does not realize that these are only expedients to occupy the distracted mind of the student and are in fact nothing to do with dzogpa chenpo which has no path and no method whatsoever. read the kunjied gyalpo (i reccomend professor neumayer's translation).

this 'i am', just as it is will always be and always has been, regardless of whether an ego i is perceived or not, regardless of whether subjective buddha nature has ceased or not. i am... emptiness. there is no i to be an am, nor am to be an i, and yet conventionally the i am is experienced. it is our natural state... empty.

spontaneously complete... i am.

best wishes, Tom.

Perhaps you should act on those best wishes and stop posting things that have nothing to do with Dzogchen as Dzogchen, or someday someone will read this and become confused.
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