Pema Rigdzin wrote:No, but you do need to know and have significantly integrated the Dharma you're teaching in order to be able to effectively teach it. In Dzogchen, obviously the Dharma is the natural state of the individual and all phenomena... One can parrot words one has heard that speak of the natural state and pretend to be melding one's mind with a friend, but this is not likely to lead to one's friend's realization of Dzogpa Chenpo. But having significant, unmistaken knowledge of the natural state, and stability in that knowledge, one can help others gain it for themselves. That's the only way one can teach Dzogchen.
Not only will you burn in Vajra Hell forever but your friend, the one that gave you the transmission, will be the one lighting the flames each morning at some ungodly hour. Now the hour will depend on daylight savings, so I can't say for sure what time it will be exactly, but rest asured that it WILL be ungodly!
That'll learn you for breaking your samaya!
Ha. But really, even though I can see the humor in what you wrote, it really does seem to be a serious matter. It's not far-fetched that we could reembody (literally) within inferior dimensions because of karma.
And when one enters Dharma practice, it seems also that one has bigger chances to either/both create a ton of karma or pay a ton of karma in one fell-swoop.
Samael Aun Weor for example wrote that the average deluded humanoid usually takes about 1,000 years to disintegrate via devolution in the hell-realms after they've exhausted their number of humanoid-form lives. Although he also wrote that fallen-Bodhisattva's can take eons to disintegrate in the lower realms, because by having become Bodhisattva's at some point, they've subjected themselves to laws that are beyond the laws that the average sentient being is subjected to; and by subjecting themselves to those higher laws, these fallen-Bodhisattva's have been able to accumulate for themselves massive amounts of karma:
Samael Aun Weor wrote:"The souls that have already totally separated themselves from their Monad (Atman-Buddhi-Manas) go there. Those souls are of an indescribable perversity, and here they have to pass through the Second Death to which the Apocalypse refers, and of which Christ spoke to us. H.P.B. refers to the Avitchi and the Second Death in her sixth volume of The Secret Doctrine. The Bhagavad-Gita talks to us about the abyss also; however, when we talked about this topic [in 1950], the spiritualists of Colombia laughed at us."
"The final objective of the Infernal Worlds is to destroy the ego and the Lunar Bodies in order for the soul to become liberated through the door of the Second Death. The suffering of the failed souls in the Infernal Worlds is symbolically written by Dante in his Divine Comedy. The most perverse Black Magicians live within the Infernal Worlds; it will take trillions of years before they can reach the Second Death. Ordinary people can reach the Second Death in 800 to 1000 years more or less. The souls pay a Karmic invoice within the Infernal Worlds every 100 years. In the Infernal Worlds, time is extremely long and terribly boring. It is time of millenarian rocks. The Second Death is necessary so that the failed souls can return into the primeval original chaos. Here, they have to reinitiate their journey, passing through mineral, plant, and animal evolutions until finally reaching the human state anew."
"Indeed, we are not talking about eternal damnation or endless condemnation. Unquestionably, eternal damnation does not exist, since every punishment—as serious as it may be—has to have a limit, beyond which happiness reigns. So, in this sense, we radically differ from the clerical orthodoxy."
"In dealing with the evolutionary process we must put forth the following statement: Natura non facit saltus (Nature does not take leaps). It is therefore evident that the more advanced states of the plant kingdom allowed me passage to the animal state. I began to reembody in very simple organisms and after having taken millions of bodies, I ended up returning in more and more complex organisms...
"As an outstanding note in these paragraphs, I must assert that still I have very interesting memories of one of those many existences by the banks of a beautiful river of cheerful waters which rushed ever so musically over its bed of age old rocks... I was at that time a humble creature, a very particular specimen of the Batrachian genus. I moved about in the thicket, hopping here, there and everywhere. Clearly, I had full Consciousness of myself; I knew that formerly I had belonged to the perilous kingdom of intellectual animals... My best friends were the elementals of those plants which had their roots in the banks of the river. I talked with them in the universal language... I dwelt delightfully in the shadow, far away from rational humanoids. When I had presentiment of any immediate danger, I found refuge in the crystalline waters... I continued to return many times in various organisms before I had the pleasure of reembodying as a specimen of a certain class of very intelligent amphibians which gladly emerged from the stormy waters of the sea to greet the sun’s rays on the sandy beach... When the terrible Parca (death) came, sovereign before whom all mortals tremble with fear, I bid my last farewell to the three inferior kingdoms and returned to a humanoid organism; thus, I painfully recaptured the rational animal state which I previously lost...
"In this, my new state of a tri-brained or tri-centered biped state, I remembered and I evoked unusual abysmal incidents. I did not have the slightest desire to go back to the buried world. I longed to wisely make the most of my new cycle of one hundred and eight lives which were now assigned me for the realization of my Innermost Self. Past experience had left painful scars in the depth of my soul, and I was in no way willing to repeat the devolving processes of the internal world. I knew well that the Wheel of Samsara turns incessantly in an evolving and devolving way and that Essences, after passing through the intellectual animal kingdom, descend millions of times to the horrifying precipice to eliminate the subjective elements of perception. However, by no means did I long for more abysmal suffering, and that is why I was very willing to make the best of my new cycle of rational existences."
So basically, Samaya is established only if the participant is sincere, at least knows exactly what the specific Samaya requires of him/her; and the teacher is qualified to confer the Empowerment/Transmission?
Namdrol wrote:Samaya is established by interest in a teaching and participation.
Namdrol wrote:Samaya is like wine, it develops with age.
On the flip-side of this, it can also degenerate with age (as I'm sure you are aware); and as Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche and others have said, that after having gone three years without purifying it, it becomes irreparable.
But I like your wine simile.
Dechen Norbu wrote:
Probably that friend of yours is a bit
Actually, come to think of it; he did have a bit of a Christ-complex. No joke. However I don't want to go into details out of respect to him.
Dechen Norbu wrote:Just forget the whole thing. He was playing the master and your were gullible enough to fall for it.
You haven't received transmission and there's no samaya involved.
By the way, is he even a lama and if so, who recognizes such status?
No he is not a Lama.
Now I would imagine that it's possible that there are Beings who actually are Lamas yet who are not formally recognized as such (this seems to be what Sönam is implying here). Although as I've been saying here, this person in question is most likely not one of them.