Dzogchen Longde Tantras

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Dzogchen Longde Tantras

Postby Fa Dao » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:24 pm

Does anyone know if any of the Longde Tantras have been translated into English? and if so where a person could find them? Was specifically thinking of Longchen Rabjam Gyalpo/ཀློང་ཆེན་རབ་འབྱམས་རྒྱལ་པོ and 'Kunto Zangpo Namkhache/ ཀུན་ཏུ་བཟང་པོ་ནམ་མཁའ་ཆེ
"But if you know how to observe yourself, you will discover your real nature, the primordial state, the state of Guruyoga, and then all will become clear because you will have discovered everything"-Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche

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Re: Dzogchen Longde Tantras

Postby Lhug-Pa » Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:19 pm

Don't know if this helps much, but I believe that Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche's is a Mengagde text containing pith instructions on Longde Dzogchen teachings. It also lists in its notes some very important Dzogchen Tantras as well.

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Re: Dzogchen Longde Tantras

Postby Josef » Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:00 pm

I dont know if any that have been translated in their entirety.

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Re: Dzogchen Longde Tantras

Postby Pero » Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:17 pm

Jim Valby has translated the ninth chapter from Longchen Rabjam Gyalpo (chapter on the mandala), it's in "Two Dzogchen Texts". But other than that I don't think there's anything else in English.
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Re: Dzogchen Longde Tantras

Postby Dechen Norbu » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:04 am

And that's a pity. :(

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Re: Dzogchen Longde Tantras

Postby Fa Dao » Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:18 pm

time has passed so I thought I would recheck...
"But if you know how to observe yourself, you will discover your real nature, the primordial state, the state of Guruyoga, and then all will become clear because you will have discovered everything"-Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche

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Re: Dzogchen Longde Tantras

Postby Fa Dao » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:19 am

I found these. Dont know how good the translation is but at least they are translated

https://www.amazon.com/Royal-Tantra-Bri ... C5VSXEMKKZ

https://www.amazon.com/Great-Tantra-Vaj ... N6E63CZBWB
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Re: Dzogchen Longde Tantras

Postby Fa Dao » Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:00 pm

has anyone read these? are they good translations?
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Postby heart » Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:41 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
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"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Dzogchen Longde Tantras

Postby WuMing » Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:53 pm

今以佛眼觀之佛與眾生同住解脫之床。無此無彼無二平等。
Now, observing with the eye of the Buddha, both the Buddha and ordinary beings are in the same liberated state. There is neither this nor that: there is only non-duality and identity.
- 空海 Kūkai in Unjigi 吽字義 The Meaning of the Letter Hūṃ
- Kūkai on the Philosophy of Language by Takagi Shingen and Dreitlein Eijō
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Re: Dzogchen Longde Tantras

Postby florin » Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:54 pm

I would echo , more or less what others have said.
My advice is to wait .
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Re: Dzogchen Longde Tantras

Postby Fa Dao » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:13 pm

I did read some excerpts of the two books on Amazon...seemed pretty straightforward and relatively easy to read...but I am no translator
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Re: Dzogchen Longde Tantras

Postby florin » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:42 pm

To be honest i dont know what this Wilkinson guy is doing...
It almost looks like he has his own personal translation factory given the frequency with which he translates.
That wouldn't be such a bad thing if his translations would be any good .

Like many others, having been exposed to very good quality dzogchen literature i can say with some degree of certainty that these translations appart from the accidental intelligibility they don't make much sense .

If anybody is confused about the various positive reviews on the internet, i would suggest that they are not real reviews. Given the quality of the material they can't be.
These people are either friends, paid or clueless with respect to dzogchen.
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Re: Dzogchen Longde Tantras

Postby heart » Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:18 am

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Dzogchen Longde Tantras

Postby Fa Dao » Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:38 pm

Magnus,
that is problematic but as far as I know these are the only translations of these two Tantras in English...
"But if you know how to observe yourself, you will discover your real nature, the primordial state, the state of Guruyoga, and then all will become clear because you will have discovered everything"-Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche

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Re: Dzogchen Longde Tantras

Postby heart » Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:06 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Dzogchen Longde Tantras

Postby Fa Dao » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:11 pm

"But if you know how to observe yourself, you will discover your real nature, the primordial state, the state of Guruyoga, and then all will become clear because you will have discovered everything"-Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche


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