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 Post subject: Spontaneous Presence
PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:03 pm 
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Greetings Everyone,

I am naturally drawn to and feel an affinity with Dzogchen and was wondering if there are those here who are familiar with the practice of "Spontaneus Presence". I relate it personally to my experience with the Presence of Being as taught by Eckhart Tolle.

Anyone have any thoughts or insights on this.

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 Post subject: Re: Spontaneous Presence
PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:51 pm 
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This article may interest you. It is worth reading all the way through.
http://approachingaro.org/buddhism-shattered

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 Post subject: Re: Spontaneous Presence
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Fascinating article. However I always viewed Tolle as having more of a vedanta view than Buddhist simply due to the eternalism aspect that the author mentioned.

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 Post subject: Re: Spontaneous Presence
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emptiness/awareness has a feeling or presence that sort of radiates in a very subtle way. for this reason it can be said to be non empty emptiness.

when you become aware of your normal awareness then you can begin to analyse it, but as far as rigpa is concerned you already have it. no effort required, this life is it.

what do you see?... rigpa.
what do you feel?... rigpa.
what do you want?... rigpa.
what are you doing?... rigpa.
where are you going?... rigpa.
what is your realisation?... rigpa.
what is awarness?... rigpa.
what is ignorance?... rigpa.

rigpa is your natural state.
all one flavour. ma rigpa is rigpa, only with effort.

best wishes, Tom.

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 Post subject: Re: Spontaneous Presence
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There is no practice of spontaneous presence [lhun grub] per se. Lhun grub in fact refers to natural [lhun] formation [grub] of the basis. There is a practice related to this aspect of Dzogchen teachings, however, called thögal. It has nothing to do with anything taught by Tolle.

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