Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

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kalden yungdrung
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Re: Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

Postby kalden yungdrung » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:19 pm

Tashi delek,

Yes Dzogchen teachings are a good way to train the mind.

In addition:

- But what (is) mind ?
- Is not all mind ?
- Where is illusion and where not ?
- Does it end with the subject or object or both?

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IF HE DOES NOT APPLY HIS KNOWLEDGE
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Re: Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

Postby Pero » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:49 pm

Namdrol wrote:if you follow a master like ChNN -- you will become a sane human being, even without studying Abhidharma and so on.

Define "sane human being". :D
Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
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Re: Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

Postby Sönam » Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:04 pm

Pero wrote:
Namdrol wrote:if you follow a master like ChNN -- you will become a sane human being, even without studying Abhidharma and so on.

Define "sane human being". :D


nearly "pure being" no? :twothumbsup:
By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Re: Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

Postby Karma Dondrup Tashi » Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:39 pm

One without obscurations.
I fled Him, down the nights and down the days; I fled Him, down the arches of the years; I fled Him, down the labyrinthine ways, Of my own mind; and in the mist of tears, I hid from Him, and under running laughter. Up vistaed hopes I sped; And shot, precipitated, Adown Titanic glooms of chasmèd fears, From those strong Feet that followed, followed after. But with unhurrying chase, And unperturbèd pace, Deliberate speed, majestic instancy, They beat - and a Voice beat - More instant than the Feet - ‘All things betray thee, who betrayest Me.’


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