How do you know if you've recognized rigpa?

[dakini_boi]

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[muni]

A tecnical or analytical description of dzogchen nondual contemplation/"nondual rigpa"? Lots and lots of texts on internet and everywhere about. I am going to read them all and am sure at the end i will land as deluded as can be. Therefore when one can explain the HOW then I'll keep it in my fist, never open it anymore and never will need a Dzogchen master anymore.

guideline:
'Although apparent phenomena manifest as diversity ---
yet this diversity is non-dual.
And of all the multiplicity
of individual things that exist,
none can be confined in a limited concept.
Staying free from the trap of any attempt
to say 'it's like this', or 'like that',
it becomes clear that all manifested forms are
aspects of the infinite formless,
and, indivisible from it,
are self-perfected.
Seeing that everything is self-perfected
from the very beginning,
the disease of striving for any achievement
is surrendered,
and just remaining in the natural state
as it is,
the presence of non-dual contemplation
continuously spontaneously arises." Namkhay Norbu Rinpoche

Edit/ http://books.google.be/books?id=b9DpCIG ... pa&f=false

[kalden yungdrung]

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Tashi delek,

A step into the right direction would be the non-dual awareness which is based on the non-egocentric mind.
This awareness is egoless when there is no watcher involved in the visions. It doesn't act in the way of accepting and rejecting in case of emotions and the appearing thoughts.

Then the thoughts and emotions can dissolve into their nature if there is no watcher or ego with its graspings etc..
The ego mind does vitalize or freeze the thoughts and emotions, so they are keeping alive and become static or our daily dualistic movie.

So to be in Rigpa is recognizing the Non-dual State or that state which is without an ego functioning of subject and object.
Then the visions etc. can dissolve into their Nature and when this process is happening then one can be dwelling in the State of Rigpa or to be in th Natural State and this is Rigpa.

In my opinion it has nothing to do with the visions / awareness and thoughts but more with the realization that the whole process is without a dualistic mind or with the mind of ego.

Furtheron if there is no grasping to the visions, sounds and lights and this all can be dissloved into their Nature ( Tong Cha - Emptiness), then when one is doing it all with the mind of non-ego and this mind does not behave with object and subject, grasping, etc., this mind is indeed Rigpa if all the above mentioned visions, sounds and rays can be dissolved into their Nature.
Further a post meditation would be the difference with this Rigpa if one is standing up from the Gom chen / meditation cushion and one is alert about the dualistic grasping of that habitual ego mind............

So one of my practice is to stand up from the cushion and stand for a while , when i am in the Natural State.
Then i walk for a while, in the Natural State etc.
The point is to prolongue this Natural Sate more and more so that one can be for 24 hours a day in this State.



Best wishes

Mutsog Marro
KY

[booker]

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I would go to Master to verify.

[Paul]

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I would go to Master to verify.

Definitely. Senior students can give good guidance, but a proper dzogchen teacher is the best.

[muni]

Sharing right clouds- heads in the clouds. Wise say that in the vast skylike nature brightful bathing light, clouds are free. So is a good cloud/correct description as well.

Relax, I saw written on other tread. Emaho!

Hello Josephine, how is your rigpa?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAYceC0p ... re=related

The Dzogchen master.

[Sönam]

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simply ask Rig-Pa if he did recognize you ...


Sönam

[booker]

LOL

[Karma Dondrup Tashi]

Your teacher will tell you.

More importantly as Sonam indicated it will tell you itself.

Rigpa's just the natural state right here right now you don't need to do anything to recognize it or verify it.

If you try to ascertain whether or not you've got it or not that isn't it.

"Recognition" is just another empty thing.

[White Lotus]

realization of that which is normal and natural is a powerful realization. it doesnt require anything. just be yourself.

the normal is the beautiful.

seeing with your own eyes... non duality, emptiness, energy... all only realizations of the special. not the supreme realization... that which is normal.

when aware aware. when asleep asleep. just naturally so. normal life is the way.

so... just relax.

best wishes, Tom.

[deepbluehum]

There's a lot of possible flowery talk that people give, but to really know if *you* have seen rigpa, usually your master and you will do a method or he will give you one to take home and if you do it, then you will have to see it. The recognition itself is beyond explanations.

[Andrew108]

As the others have said. Certainly something to discuss with your teacher. It has wisdom within it so you will know. Just like those who achieve rainbow body know prior that they will achieve rainbow body. Here is a list of some of the things that might be 'experienced'.
1. You have no problems.
2. You delight in the mucky stuff - it's delightful because you are not caught up in it. Angry wife, piss poor job - delightful.
3. You don't have meditation sessions and breaks.
4. You don't feel 100% human.
5. You practice when you sleep.
6. You could sit for hours and you wouldn't think of it as trying. Always fresh.
7. You have a lot of natural clarity.
8. You don't feel pain in a dualistic way.
9. You realize that nothing happens.
10. You are naturally sympathetic to others.
11. You are keen to help others in an uncontrived way.
12. You don't take any shit.
13. You are indifferent at times.
14. You don't care about going to party.
15. You don't need anything.
16. You don't get scared by ANYTHING.
17. Friends and enemies are equal.
and so on and so on..........

[Clarence]

Recognizing and Realizing are not the same.

[Acchantika]

Rigpa's just the natural state right here right now you don't need to do anything to recognize it or verify it.

If you try to ascertain whether or not you've got it or not that isn't it.

"Recognition" is just another empty thing.

Yet since a distinction is made between rigpa and "here-and-now" awareness, ascertaining the above must be vital.

Abiding in the awareness of the present moment, that is uncontrived and free of duality, is not rigpa, as I understand it. As Milarepa says:

Don't conceive of yourself as having attained the sublime state
when your meditation is just based on nonconceptual calm abiding [shamtha].

[Karma Dondrup Tashi]

Rigpa's just the natural state right here right now you don't need to do anything to recognize it or verify it.

If you try to ascertain whether or not you've got it or not that isn't it.

"Recognition" is just another empty thing.

Yet since a distinction is made between rigpa and "here-and-now" awareness, ascertaining the above must be vital.

Abiding in the awareness of the present moment, that is uncontrived and free of duality, is not rigpa, as I understand it. As Milarepa says:

Don't conceive of yourself as having attained the sublime state
when your meditation is just based on nonconceptual calm abiding [shamtha].

Good point but I didn't mean it was the practice of abiding in present moment I just meant it was in some sense always already here, therefore there is nothing to try to recognize. We can't try to abide in something we're always already abiding in.

[deepbluehum]

Rigpa's just the natural state right here right now you don't need to do anything to recognize it or verify it.

If you try to ascertain whether or not you've got it or not that isn't it.

"Recognition" is just another empty thing.

Yet since a distinction is made between rigpa and "here-and-now" awareness, ascertaining the above must be vital.

Abiding in the awareness of the present moment, that is uncontrived and free of duality, is not rigpa, as I understand it. As Milarepa says:

Don't conceive of yourself as having attained the sublime state
when your meditation is just based on nonconceptual calm abiding [shamtha].

Good point but I didn't mean it was the practice of abiding in present moment I just meant it was in some sense always already here, therefore there is nothing to try to recognize. We can't try to abide in something we're always already abiding in.

I can't agree. The recognition is not always already there and must be recognized utilizing a method that must be taught.

[Karma Dondrup Tashi]

I can't agree. The recognition is not always already there and must be recognized utilizing a method that must be taught.

IMHO the path in dzogchen is not "try to recognize", that is a path of renunciation or path of transformation path - the path in dzogchen is remaining without doubt, having received direct introduction.

[Malcolm]

I can't agree. The recognition is not always already there and must be recognized utilizing a method that must be taught.

IMHO the path in dzogchen is not "try to recognize", that is a path of renunciation or path of transformation path - the path in dzogchen is remaining without doubt, having received direct introduction.

Direct introduction is not a great translation, in actuality. The phrase is "ngo rang thog du sprad" which means more like "a direct self-encounter with [one's] state [lit. face]".

[Andrew108]

Abiding in the awareness of the present moment, that is uncontrived and free of duality, is not rigpa, as I understand it. As Milarepa says:

Don't conceive of yourself as having attained the sublime state
when your meditation is just based on nonconceptual calm abiding [shamtha].

These two are different. Non-conceptual calm abiding (shamata) is different from 'uncontrived and free of duality.' It's the free of duality that is the difference.

[deepbluehum]

I can't agree. The recognition is not always already there and must be recognized utilizing a method that must be taught.

IMHO the path in dzogchen is not "try to recognize", that is a path of renunciation or path of transformation path - the path in dzogchen is remaining without doubt, having received direct introduction.

You can play any semantics game you like, but the fact remains there's no recognition of any kind without first receiving the instructions and blessing of the lineage.