Namdrol wrote: heart wrote:
alwayson wrote:What the hell is that supposed to mean?
What do you think emptiness means?
"empty" = "dependently originated"
They are synonymous phrases.
This is not rocket science.
Just find me a quote from Nagarjuna then saying that emptiness if dependent origination or else we are finished with this discussion.
That which is dependent origination
is explained to be emptiness.
As you know one sentence can be taken out of context. Which this one is. But you two are free to continue with the same short shrift nonsense ad nauseam, if it makes you feel warm and cozy.
Commentators like Gorampa often have to take a quote that appears to mean one thing and show that it means another.
The the above quote comes from the chapter on FNT and follows the verses:
[i]If you perceive the existence of all things
In terms of their essence,
Then this perception of all things
Will be without the perception of causes and
Effects and causes
And agent and action
And conditions and arising and ceasing
And effects will be rendered impossible.Whatever is dependently co-arisen
That is explained to be emptinessThat, being a dependent designation
Is itself the middle way.
Readers should not think these two have settled the issue with DO=Emptiness. This simplistic formulation based on a quote taken out of context of what it was meant to teach has led apparently both of them to negate the efficacy of karma.